TomGoodheart

291419056878 291419061211 A long time ago I did overpay (£28) for a 'Montreal' copy of a Pontefract shilling because I wanted an example .. these however .. no idea! .

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Hi John! Glad you finally found predecimal. I think you'll find it better than coincommunity other forums for expertise on British coins!

Happy Birthday Peter! (You can imagine a short balding bloke raising a glass of cab sauv in your general direction if you wish)

Belated happy birthday from me!

Milled and English? You guys don't make it easy you know! But here's a quick snap of the reverse of my halfcrown. Whether it shows or not, it has quite pleasing pinkish/ gold tones to the deeper areas ... Edit ... hmm .. you might all just have to take my word for it! .

Here's the contact details for Peter Nichols in case you're interested: http://www.coincabinets.com/contact.html They don't just make them. They also restore and adapt. Very helpful ... but also busy! .

Hi and welcome Patryk! Sadly (and this isn't meant personally, just if you have ever looked on eBay you'll know this) the term 'excellent' means different things to different people! To be collectable as coins you need as near mint condition as possible. However as silver melt, it's just weight. I suggest you contact Chris Perkins the forum owner. I know he buys silver coinage in bulk and may be able to arrange something to save you postage, depending on what you have. Best idea is to take a few (half a dozen would be fine) photos of the better older coins to give him an idea as to whether they might be resalable to collectors. You can send him a message via the link on this page: http://www.predecimal.com/selling_coins.php?osCsid=02fc9c64b520b215a3b06c9e1dc9c6e5 And if any of the coins are excellent maybe put up a few pics here too in case any members would like to cherry-pick nicer pieces? .

Nice old cabinet! I'd be careful of any glue that you can smell. It's obviously the risk of the fumes containing something that will affect the coins (probably accelerate toning). However it's hard to tell what the risks will be over time. It might be that the velvet itself will tone your coins. Maybe best to just replace the velvet? Modern coin cabinets tend to be lined with felt, so I'm assuming that's pretty safe. Though that won't have the recesses for coins like your velvet. If I decided I had to glue, I'd make sure I left the trays for a while (a month seems safe) to let any fumes dissipate. I think Rob has a background in chemistry. Maybe he or someone can chip in with more definite views? Oh, and to answer Coinery above ... Peter Nichols cabinets is perhaps the one? Peter has retired and someone else took over. When I spoke to them they have replaced all the material Peter used with natural finishes. She seemed to think Peter's current ill-health might have been due to some of the chemicals like varnishes he used. I suspect they'd advocate only a limited range. Rabbit skin size is a traditional artist's glue/varnish I seem to remember ... but again, maybe someone with more knowledge can say if that would work. .

I echo Paul's comment Nick. Yes, topics drift. Yes, people speak their minds. I could go round deleting posts that might be .. controversial, shall we say ... but I'd rather not, both because it would take time but also because I'm not greatly in favour of forums where everything is policed, because then people don't always feel comfortable saying what they want to. It's a difficult compromise and it sadly won't suit everyone. Personally I just skim over most of the meanderings for the next on-topic comment .... ...unless I'm bored, in which case Peter and Dave can meander better than anyone else I know! .

Wow. Sorry to hear that Peter. But I'm glad you're home now and hope you're soon feeling fully recovered and that the appointments next week and pills do the trick. I thought it was quite on here for a while .... But seriously, look after yourself! .

OK, bit late in the day but ... can anyone explain spammers to me? Time and time again we get someone with an IP address from somewhere in the Southern Indian continent quoting an earlier post in an attempt to seem like an interested new member. Why? Firstly, I can usually spot that it's a quote since they are rarely quite in context. Secondly I delete them as soon as I spot them. But even if I left them active ... what do they hope to gain? Do they then put their login details into a spambot so in a week or so we get dozens of adverts for Russian brides and Viagra? And who would click on those anyway? So why do they bother? Apart from the fact that I presume they are paid to do so. Yours sincerely, Puzzled of Buckinghamshire. .

Happy Birthday Sir! .

Sadly quality control at the Royal Mint is poor, so off centre isn't a definite sign it's counterfeit. Double struck would be odd. Though I'm afraid I can't see enough detail in your photos to say .. a more detailed bigger pic might work? But the bottom line is, if it is a counterfeit it's of slight interest (I still have a few really poor ones such as a coin made of lead and painted gold and some with the wrong reverse for the date and legends that don't match either side!) But it won't be of great value, except numismatically speaking and few people bother to hold on to the things. Of course if you take one to the bank they won't give you a quid for it. Which perhaps partly accounts for why there are still so many fakes in circulation ... .

Hi there. I'm afraid I can't see from your photos what it is that concerns you. The reverse is correct for the year, which is often a tell-tale sign if it's not! And the colour does vary a bit from bright to a dull brass colour. Modern coins aren't always well struck-up, frequently with blobs of extra metal or weak areas. Which I guess is all to the fakers' advantage I guess ... .

Welcome Steven. And in case you wondered, I've moved your questions to the appropriate section and deleted the duplicate post. I hope you find it interesting and helpful here. Victorian base metal coins seem quite popular so you'll find other enthusiasts I'm sure! .

Welcome Daniel! Try here: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/7880-posting-pics/ .

Images are going to be essential I'm afraid. If you upload them to an image hosting site such as flikr or photobucket then you can then put the links into a post here. In the meantime ... there's an article (pdf) here about a find on the Island .. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.britnumsoc.org%2Fpublications%2FDigital%20BNJ%2Fpdfs%2F1963_BNJ_33_9.pdf&ei=d5P4VIuGOMfwaJa3gYAB&usg=AFQjCNGaHh_jL6cbR9GoRTEeNA272WMYKA&bvm=bv.87519884,d.d2s that might be of interest? .

Very nice. Though I'd be happy with just a regular Tower mint shilling in that condition ... there's simply nothing decent about it seems. .

Setting aside this particular seller for a minute, I think there are a number of factors at play. Firstly, my strong suspicion is that we all grade by experience. And that means that if you don't tend to see really good examples regularly then you might overgrade as you've little to compare a 'better than average' example to. The other thing is grade creep. It isn't difficult to find examples of coins that sold at VF in the 1970s that more recently have been rated gVF, nEF etc. I think perhaps grading was broader back then and buyers relied on their own knowledge. But also price was not quite so tied to small grade differences. You only have to look at the US market where the difference between and MS63 and MS64 can be substantial to see optimism could easily colour peoples assessment of a coin they hope to sell. There are sellers that I consider to grade conservatively and others that are .. generous. In the end education is still the key IMHO. If you're going to make a purchase, particularly if any decent amount of money is to be involved, it just makes sense to do a bit of research before hand. As has recently been said on here .. None of us has the ability to save people from themselves Best we can do is educate ourselves and provide advice if asked... .

I think the one you already have is quite nice. Jolly good reverse from my inexperienced milled coinage perspective... .

Welcome! Feel free to post a few photos of any coins when you've the time. We always like to share! .

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I should have been clearer. I wasn't suggesting my coin was an equal to the London/CGS one. Just that if I were in the market for one I'd want a stronger reverse. That makes the 1918 unappealing to me, irrespective of the amount of wear CGS have decided it has been subject to ... .

Really? I know it's not my area but here's my 1916. Graded nEF by the seller and I paid £27 .. including post from New Zealand. My personal view is the reverse shows less wear than the London example. My lions at least have noses! No way would I rate theirs worth the money ... be interesting to see what it sells for. .