Chris Perkins

A couple of you may be interested in this - My list of forgeries, in a pretty random order. Most are well used, but a few are rather nice. Some are contemporary, some clearly not and some I'm not entirely sure. About 200 coins in total, including 17 modern £1's. 3 Shilling bank token 1813, copper (silvering gone), surfaces pitted 12.38g 34.8mm 3 Shilling bank token 1812, brass (silvering gone) 14.05g 34.6mm 3 Shilling bank token 1812, brass (most silvering there) 3 Shilling bank token 1811, brass (silvering gone) 13.82g 35mm 3 Shilling bank token 1815, brass (silvering gone) 14.73g 34.9mm 3 shilling bank token 1815, brass (very dark, could possibly pass as toned silver) 12.42g 34.8mm 1s 6d bank token, copper (silvering gone) great definition, contemporary Fourpence Henry IV, very good electrotype Half Crown 1645/6 MM sun, copper, contemporary Half Crown Charles I, damaged Half Crown WmIII, very worn date not clear. Contemporary. Half Crown WmIII, as above Half Crown 1696, copper Half Crown 1817, brass, most of silvering intact. Half Crown 1819, brass, most of silvering gone. Half Crown 1837 Half Crown 1845 Half Crown 1874 Half Crown 1893 wavy Half Crown 1926, bent from being tested Half Crown 1933, as above Half Crown 1938 lead-like. Half Crown 1950 excellent condition Half Crown 1950, another Some other George III half crowns, various metals 1817 x3 1818 x1 1819 x1 1820 x2 Shilling, Edward IV electrotype Shilling, Carlise 1645 Charles I S3138 assumed contemp, crude. Shilling, Charles I, very good electrotype Shilling, James I, very good electrotype Shilling, WmIII, date not clear, copper Shilling, 1699 copper Shilling 1819 holed Shilling, 1819 mostly silvered, excellent quality Shilling 1864 die 18 Shilling, 1918 lead-like Shilling, 1948. Excellent condition but not right! Shilling 1950E Shilling 1954E Shilling 1957E Shillings, George III x8 Sixpence, Charles I electrotype x2 different Sixpence, 1651 commonwealth electrotype Sixpence James I electrotype Sixpence 1699 Sixpence 1935 Sixpences George III x4 Florin Gothic, date not clear. Contemp. Florin 1873 Florin 1899, in 2 halves from original test. Florin Edward VII, date not clear Fathings, Richmond type x6, prob modern Farthing, Queen Anne, silver pattern 1713 (originally bought as genuine by prev. owner from Colin Cooke). Farthing, Queen Anne, copper gilt 1713 Farthing, Queen Anne 1714 copper Fathings George III x3 Half Pennies, George III - about 50 of varying quality. Inc one brockage Half Sovereign 1892, most of gold colour gone. Third Guineas, George III x4 Crown, Gothic 1847, presumed modern? 21.47g 39.5mm Crown, BofE dollar 1804,probably modern? 22.44g 41.3mm Crown, BofE dollar 1804, brass (silvering gone) contemporary Crown 1687, presumed modern? 25.4g 40.2mm Crown 1696/Charles II obv, mule. Def contemporary, silver outer almost intact 25.44g 37.5mm Crown 1890 contemporary 27.74g 38.5mm Crown 1696, copper (silvering gone) contemporary 22.82g 38.7mm Crown 1692, presumed modern? 22.75g 39mm Crown 1889 contemporary. Quarter of coin is cut out 15.15g Crown 1644 Oxford. Excellent detail, must be modern 17.99g 40.6mm Crown 1898 with milled edge, crude. Assumed modern. Crown 1845, nice but looks modern. Crown 1819 x2, lead-like contemporary or Victorian. Two Pounds 1821, copper, most of gold colour gone Two pounds 1823, not to deceive, as watch fob with attachment. Two pounds 1823, crude brass, holed. Two pounds 1823, very crude brass. Threepence 1905 contemporary Penny 1831, brass Penny 1841, ghastly with mirrored letters. A right contemporary cock up. Penny 1845, lead-like Penny 1854, lead-like Guinea 1710, brass, gold colour traces Scottish 60 shillings 1582, copper contemporary 20.7g 41.9mm Scottish Ryal 1565 with 1578 revaluation mark. Contemporary? 32.36 44.8mm Ireland 6 Shilling bank token 1804, dark areas showing through. Def contemporary 25.1g 40.8mm Irelend 10 pence token 1813, brass Ireland 20 pence token 1808, brass Anglo-Saxon 'ADELBERT' short cross not ID'd. One Pound (decimal) 17 various types Hong Kong dollar mule 1866/Edward VII obverse. Modern. Contemporary Spanish: 5 Pts 1885 5 Pts 1891 (baby king) 5 Pts 1899 5 Pts 1885 5 Pts 1882 silvered brass 20 Rs 1837 8 Rs 1792 (column piece of 8) 4 Es 1865, some gold colour remaining South Africa, Pond 1896 brass German, Prussia 1 Thaler 1799 A. Brass, contemporary. India Rupee 1904 India Rupee 1915 Ancient Greek: Large Syracuse Decadrachm, nice but fairly modern Silver Stater Chalcidice, head of Apollo x2

Not always, it depends on the coin. For some of the expensive ones I've also provided photographs, for other I left the scans as they were better! There's no easy way to get a volume of coins photographed accurately and listed on the website without it taking absolutely ages.

Thankyou.

Am in invisible or something? The coins above and a large number of others were just added to the website. New additions can be seen from here: http://www.predecimal.com/products_new.php The first 15 and a half pages of coins are new.

I thought Cisse was the long dead Kaiserin of Austria.

Thanks.

My mum was born close enough to the Bow Bells to have been a cockney, but she's poshed up in Dorset now. Dad was born in Lewisham but all his family were from the East End, in fact the Perkins line from at least 1750 onwards were all born in London, starting in the City and each generation getting a little further out. I was born in Sidcup, just on the fringe of the outer most SE London Borough (Bexley).

All of them are right. Pete Tong being a relatively modern one. You're probably right Broomstick. Even though SE London is cheaper than SW generally, I couldn't afford anything larger than a broom cupboad so had to get something in Kent too. Not as nice as Tunbridge Wells though, as you can gather from the recent tenant and shooter incident described elsewhere. I have never counted the millings on a 10p.

The first word in a cockney rhyming slag pair is only there to lend a connection with the 2nd noun, which will invariably rhyme with the thing being referenced. Apples and Pears Rub a dub Skin and blister Frog and Toad Pete Tong Gypsy kiss Butchers hook Are some of the most well known. These are often shortened and just the first word is substituted for whatever you want to say. Am I the only Saaf East Londoner here? I often wondered why there are not more London area members. I know Derek is. Or is coin collecting more a provincial thing, like ferreting and pigeon keeping?

Thought you might. What's it worth in that sort of nibbled condition?

It sometimes is used as am indicator or authenticity, handy if you have a known genuine item and a suspect coin of the same type.... and a lot of patience!

Why not just have a pound made of 20 shillings (re-named 5p's) with the shilling the lowest circulating denomination and the penny still existing but only in accounting/digitally etc. The pound will still be 100 pennies. And no doubt the Royal Mint would make special proof pennies forever anyway so you know it'd never go away!

Yup. And Tristan Da Cuhna has a population of a few hundred and those people share just 8 different surnames, I read. Officially I think they use the ZAR Rand, when they even need to use cash! The coins and stamps issued on their behalf (often with just TDC on them rather deceptively) are probably not even accepted on the island as currency.

I don't know. Both tenants certainly had keys to both front and back doors. Yesterday I asked Mr Green (over text) whether he intended to go back to the now empty property and if so, when. If not, then I asked him what I should do with his belongings. No answer yet. Realistically, if he's gone then I have no chance of getting the rent for April. If he pays his rent for April, and now also for May, then he can stay and I'll pay the boarding bill but will ask him if he can source a front door and fit it (I believe his parents have a DIY shop). I just heard from the police confirming that the tenants have moved out and that it is safe for me (or someone on my behalf) to go to the property. I also spoke to the local council and the tenants are shown on the system as seeking temporary accomodation, so that backs-up and confirms 100% that they're gone.... problem is that no one apart from Mr Green knows how long for!

Don't touch anything from 'TDC' (Tristan Da Cuhna) they aren't even worth what's written on them, not to mention the fact that they're utterly ghastly! If you must go modern, buy stuff when it's a couple of years old for the metal value.

I got this with some other bits. There is a piece of paper with it detailing the Middleham Hoard found it 1993. It was over 5000 coins totalling over £300 face value, which must have been an obscene amount of money in 1647. This shilling is one of those coins (although impossible to prove), Spink 2799, MM is a triangle in a circle. In case he wants it, Tom Goodheart gets first pop!

That's a point, if they thought there was a gun in there they must have been armed and have numbered more than 2 officers (the police gave me the rank numbers, or whatever they're called, of 2 officers, there may have been others)? I suspect they were a bit gung-ho and with a gun involved they didn't want to knock politely or ask Mr Green for my number in case his girlfriend was nipping out the bathroom window with it. I expect they just broke straight in and make a lot of noise and a bloody mess. I hope they didn't ruin my car mags in the loft. I've got the first volume of Practical Classics up there. I waited all day but didn't hear anything from the officers involved.

And did I end up buying it when you sold your milled shillings?! I've got one of these Edward fantasy Maundy sets that I got with a large collection from Belgium recently. Didn't Coincraft have something to do with them originally? Anyone want it? £25 seems fair. They are quite pretty for what they are.

And the 1857 shilling obverse.

And as a taster, here's the obv of the 1819 sixpence. I know some people have a problem with the AUNC grade, but I only ever use it for coins that clearly have seen no use but have a slight rub or loss of lustre due to storage. Anything with the slightest wear is GEF, or EF accordingly.

I've got the following, just in. All of the GIIII shillings, the 1889 broken 'I' double florin, the 1925 shilling and the 1918 florin are virtually reserved, so basicially someone else has first call on them. Crown 1932, key date VF/GVF £310. Crown 1933, NEF tiny mark on rim (from production) £300 Double Florin 1888, Inverted '1' for 2nd I in Victoria, AUNC, only wear is minimal slight rub from storage £400 Double Florin 1889, Inverted '1' for 2nd I in Victoria, Choice UNC, prooflike fields, best i've seen of this variety £550. Florin 1879, EF 39 arcs (listed as 38 arcs in Spink somehow) £250. Florin 1918 UNC, £90. Shilling 1745, VF, non LIMA £120. Shilling 1816, UNC £130. Shilling 1817, Choice UNC beautiful £150. Shilling 1819, GEF/AUNC £100. Shilling 1820, odd minor mark prevents UNC £120. Shilling 1824, GEF with purples and green natural toning £300. Shilling 1825, 1st head, strong EF £250. Shilling 1825, 2nd head, AUNC/GEF (only wear is to Lions nose), incredibly prooflike with shimmering mirrored fields £250. Shilling 1826, GEF purples and blues toning £200. Shilling 1834, AEF/GEF £200. Shilling 1835, GVf/EF £140. Shilling 1857, EF+ £200. Shilling 1925, AUNC slight cabinet rub to cheek £100. Sixpence 1787, with hearts EF £90. Sixpence 1816 AUNC (due to cabinet friction) £90. Sixpence 1817, GEF £75. Sixpence 1818, AUNC £100. Sixpence 1819, small '8' AUNC £80. Sixpence 1820, AUNC £120. Sixpence 1825, EF £140 Sixpence 1826, 2nd head, EF £100. Sixpence 1831, EF+ £170. Sixpence 1834, EF £170. Sixpence 1851, EF+ very pretty £150. Sixpence 1920, .925 Choice UNC £80

The police were looking for a shooter. It seems Mr Green was involved in a shooting to do with rival car related businesses, which I think may have involved his brother doing the shooting, or being shot. There were no fatalities and 2 injured men are now out of hospital. On the 17th April (a couple of days after the incident) Mr Green went to the police station of his own free will to help with enquiries, and I know this to be true. From what I can make out, it was whilst he was there that they raided my house, looking for the gun. I suspect he was arrested, as a section 18 search of a house has to involve an arrest as far as I can tell. They didn't find a gun and tenant Mr Green was released, because (he assures me) he didn't do any shooting. Him and his girlfriend have now been moved into a council house in another area and due to the feud/rivalry with this other business, the police really have warned him to stay away from the house because there's still someone out there with a gun that doesn't like him much. So, nevermind about potential loss of a tenant/rent etc, the thing that concerns me most is the damage to my property. Why should I have to pay £200 for a bit of board and another few hundred (at least) on top of that for a new front door and lock when it seems that the police had the wrong man and didn't find anything? How can I appeal against this invoice from the company employed by the police to board up the door?

I'll take a chance. I want to do this properly, without the need for forced entry.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea. I'm sure I can drag her along in an official capacity with a view to becoming my agent and finding new tenants. I'll be over a few days before the London Coin fair on the 26th May.

I actually would tend to believe that they are locked out already. Personally I always used to leave the back door key in the house, hanging up somewhere. If they do the same and it's inside, then they are already locked out due to the front door being blocked up. When I'm over there in a few weeks, do I have the right to enter the property? I've got a back door key, so it won't be a problem assuming the lock is the original.