Chris Perkins

Even if one-pees are ever removed from circulation, the RM won't miss an opportunity to milk them for as long as possible, minting BU as normal and as many other 1p novelty types as they can possibly sell - probably long after actual money itself becomes just a novelty... merely old fashioned gift vouchers/tokens to hand to people on special occasions and for use by people who refuse to let go. I'm a fan of actual cash, I think over here in Germany cash is probably more widely used than in the UK. In the end people will always go with what is most convenient, they don't really care . Apart from criminals, they'll all have to switch to crypto! I don't remember shillings either. Or technically I suppose I do, because they were still in use in the 80s as 5p. I bet retaining the shilling name (and multiples thereof) would have worked perfectly fine if they were dual 5p/shillings from the start. In fact even in the 70s when the 1p/2p still had useful spending power, they probably would have known they would eventually be phased out just like the half-pee was. In fact, the 1p removal from circ (but not existence) is probably long overdue. How about re-valuing a new £1 at £10 old-decimal fv, made up of 20 new-shillings (equiv of 50p each) and a new new penny at 100th of a new £1, i.e. 10p in old-decimal. Yeah, that would work and wouldn't be confusing at all 😑

My idea a few years ago was to do away with the 1p and 2p because they are comparatively expensive to make and fiddly to deal with, and have the 5p as the smallest denomination in regular use, as is already the case in some countries (I think NZ and Australia have 5c as their smallest in-use coin). But with a just-for-fun and British quirky twist - have it renamed as a 'Shilling' (dually featuring both '5' and 'Shilling' in the design). Items could then be priced in Pounds and Shillings if so desired, but it would still be decimal and technically nothing would change, there would still be 100 pennies in a pound and the 5p would still be 1/20th of a pound just like it and the shilling always were. Merchants could price exactly the same as now, e.g. £3.40 or they could be brave and price as £3/8 for the novelty value. Most would no doubt stick to the way it is now, but it would be fun to have pounds and shillings, and perhaps shillings could catch on at least colloquially. The 10p could be called a florin and the 20p a double florin. The 50p would be 10 shillings, obviously. I think it would be fun thing, but it's no doubt too late to re-establish any kind of shilling now, even in name only, for 2 reasons - 1. People who fondly remember using actual shillings are becoming scarcer so there really isn't much nostalgic connection with shillings, florins etc among the general public as a whole and the concept of having £1 made up of 20 of something would be confusing for many. And.. 2. Physical cash in everyday use for payment of most things is being overtaken by electronic alternatives, so use of actual cash is dwindling and is very likely to continue on a downward trend. Pie in the sky. Maybe it could have worked 20 or 30 years ago!

I have to at least make some cursory effort to inform myself as to why two members are not getting along. Get a bit of background, you know. Although I think I probably wish I hadn't. The BLM thing was years ago and this is a coin forum. Peckris' recent post about Jenrick was silly, but he's still not going on and on about the same thing for years. I'm going to close this topic for now. I may open it again at some point. Please don't start another one or carry on somewhere else where you left off. I think we know where you're coming from by now and you and Peckris are never going to be buddies. That's it, back to coins.

That would be a shame Richard. Of the almost 200k posts, the number of arguments where things get nasty/personal can probably be counted on one AI hand 😉.

FFS, alright STOP. How do you have the energy to hold a grudge for 5+ years and still get so worked up now? I can't even be bothered to read all of the 'Proof there is no god' thread, because even with my 'neutral' cap on, trying to be objective, you really do seem to moan on and on and on. And now you're doing it in this topic, years later! Be cool man, at least for your blood pressure and arteries, it's just not worth it. People don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. Tit for tat nonsense. I don't think I've ever paused/suspended or had to take any disciplinary action on anyone in the forum in 20+ years (some that did have bees in their bonnet tended to leave in a huff of their own accord). Please, either take this elsewhere.... difficult I know, if Peckris has blocked you or whatever. Or find some other place to argue with people. Life's way too short.

I wasn't aware of any previous disagreements and I certainly may have neglected my role as forum admin in the past, I accept that. Having a little fun with current affairs and public figures, including politicians, is fine and healthy banter as far as I'm concerned (e.g. blakeyboy's meme above). Let's keep politics off of here though, both of you. It always becomes a headache (from my point of view)! I'm sure you two gents can agree to disagree, you've both been here for years so you must have managed to somehow. Thank-you both for your input.

Deary me, we seem to have a difference of political opinions. Which is fine of course. But please don't insult Peckris by suggesting he is not familiar with the word "honestly". Don't need negative vibes today, or ever for that matter. I don't have any spare brain cells to have to worry about potential conflicts on the forum.

I wasn't aware that moving something like that would then default everything under it to 'unread'! If you go to the 'branch' in question, e.g Wanted, there should be an option at the top to 'Mark Forum as Read'. This is what it looks like for me but it may look different for other browser/OSes.

Yes, Gary Oddie passed away quite recently. @seuk is Peter Poulsen. Most of his website text has been archived, but unfortunately none of the images: web.archive.org/web/20150825194438/http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.html I hope he's alright.

I think I remember that. Is it on the wayback machine/internet archive?

Wanted items are now in the Members Only area.

Items For Sale - now in the Members Only area.

In recent years it has been on the 1st of January. I think there may have been some preventative technicality concerning making circulation coins available with a date in the future.

That was actually my first thought when I saw it, too! But mainly due to the edge almost looking in places as if it were 2 pieces bonded together, à la an electrotype. But I'm not a hammered expert by any means and I'm sure there are other factors that can cause a pic to come across that way, so I kept my mouth shut.

What year is it, 187?. I imagine it's been plated by someone, possibly the same person that put a hole in it. The pics aren't that clear though. There were cu-ni proofs for some 1860/70s dates, so that's a possibility and perhaps the hole was made by someone who thought it was odd and wanted to see if it was like that all the way through. Need better pics and accurate weight to provide further clues.

Hello Rach. Basically yes, it's been machine hollowed. Originally it may well have had another bust (from another coin, reduced in size to fit) of the king inserted into the hollow to create a doubled-headed trick coin, often called a magicians coin.

Ghastly, but the portrait is marginally better than the recent Princess Anne.

It's worth 2p. This thread is a bit old, but see the post 3 up from yours, dated Sep 3rd 2018.

Thankyou for pointing that out Paddy. Yes, I wanted to provide the option, but didn't want to go over intrusive like e.g. the massive message on Wikipedia every year, and no one should feel obliged to donate! So far though, a total of £200 has been donated towards the approx annual forum running costs of £1,000. And I'm more than happy with that.

The last time I looked the earlier coins with the same error were about £5-£10 I think. Perhaps someone will pay a little more for a very new one, in case there aren't as many like that as usual (which I doubt, it seems to happen a lot on the new shape £1 coins).

I should have said 'hard to find' because yeah, if money is no object it would be easy to amass hundreds of them. I did used to include a double-page spread on the 10p varieties but it never really took off. In the next book I will clarify and perhaps even add values for at least the 2006 type A. If you're offering £30 for an 'as-new' example then that's its value and I think perfectly fair and realistic.

I love this kind of thing. Modern rarities that no one is bothered about because there is little financial incentive to look, they involve a little effort to understand and spot and because they haven't been exposed in the Sun or on dodgy click-bait tabloid websites. I hate that side of decimal collecting, plus all of the deliberate misleading crap and even fakes on eBay over the years.... remember the dateless mule 20p, when people were actually grinding off the date of normal ones and attempting to pass them off as 'dateless'! How many 2006 10p's do you think you've actually seen in total? 2006 was a massive mintage at 118m+, so it would seem the type A die(s) were for whatever reason, just used for a tiny fraction of that total. Even if it was for a million coins, it's still under 1% of the 2006 total. All these years later and finding a stunning example will be very hard (as you know!), like finding a decent 1807 slave trade £2 with no DG initials (i.e. the circ only variant). They may well be rarer than the Kew 50p. Might even be comparable with the mule 2016 £1 coin with the tiny 2017 dates on the reverse - and surely more of those should exist in the wild but a magnifying glass is needed to even see it.

You're magically an enthusiast now. The expert grader old rank was always there. No idea why they need to have 2 now.

Very good to hear. I couldn't find any reports of issues with TypeIt4Me in conjunction with the forum, but that another browser seems better is no surprise, browsers are so complicated these days.

New forum software feature. You have 6 badges, well done 🤭