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Yes. The onus would be on a seller if seeking a buyer. I agree the minting stops in the strike. I do think it matters however thereafter whether marking up lines are done by the Mint as part of a process or done by some bloke in a pub with a penknife. It matters to me anyway. 🤣 The groat was graded PF65 by NGC The other coin (which is not mine) is a pattern crown that NGC graded AU55

I agree with the definition. It certainly seems reasonable to presume all post mint changes are graffiti. But how to know if it is post mint? I think that requires judgment based on whatever evidence we can glean. So I will keep an eye out for any further evidence as to whether the marking up practice was common in the Royal Mint. Here is another that seems to be “marked up” with a score line horizontally through the horse.

Just now reading in the 'More Pennies' thread about the B over R 1862 penny which sold on eBay recently and it being only the eight known example it occurred I'd not shared this here. A 1694 halfpenny with the MVRIA error in the obverse legend. Before now both Rob and myself had believed there to be only three in existence. Mine makes four. Extremely rare, and to give this some context; there are now six 1695 DEI GRATIA halfpennies recorded.

Looks like yours is the best known then Michael.👍

Sure does.

Not as good as mine which cost £8. Jerry

Yeah, it also makes you wonder why they produce two different styles, one for packs, one for circulation. The cynical side of me has thought, that these designs, then the undated 20p, then the Kew Gardens hysteria, 2009 blue Peter 50p, were to whip people up into collecting modern coins so that they’d have a market to then sell 15 designs per year!

Imagine if they'd gone with Dix....

Thanks. That is right. ESC lists it as 3357 R5. I also have a 1853 proof groat muled with the forth young head 3d obverse (attached). As these young head obverses did not appear until the late 1860’s and 70’s respectively, presumably the coins were some kind of restrike / hanky panky by the mint. That is why I wonder if the lines reflect some deliberate scoring by the mint - some kind of lining up muled parts as they experiment to create a new Frankenstein? The legend on the reverse of the 1862 is all over the place - with the U back to front!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/shows/hacker-time https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hacker+and+Dodge

Quite pleased to find this one as a BIN on ebay.