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Love the description! For this rare coin he has had many customers, and they've presumably had replacement fakes to swap with the 'genuine' encapsulated coin before returning? What naughty crooks, trying to rip this honourable eBay seller off, I honestly don't know what the world's coming to! Thank goodness he and eBay have a good working relationship, and are able to halt these fraudulent customers in their tracks! "Accept all the returns without any question and for any reason but in the same status I send, over all the authentication box must be unopened. Some customers have opened the box, returned me and later ebay and me have catched them selling the coin again. So, no exception."

This has been confirmed by Check your change (which I think is written by Chris himself) http://www.checkyourchange.co.uk/1-coins-in-circulation/2016-one-pound/ "I know of about 50 so far and as it’s hard to spot without a magnifying lens, there are probably a lot of others out there."

Hi again guys. Sorry, but being new to your forum, i totally lost the thread for putting posts on. Hence duplicating what i said. Anyway back to the 1841.....yes the greed got the better of me and i bought another for the BIN price of £50. The coins are not identical and could be what you call bag marks or something. Anyway i,ve requested politely for a nice one. Thank you all for your help on this. Appreciated and regards.

I was only joking Mike and if declan is happy he can repeat the post all day if he wants

The most important thing is.........What do you think ?. If you could see them in hand and all as good i would probably buy them all........Its ebay and if it goes PETE TONG you only have yourself to blame. The seller has atleast another nine and the one you purchased is really nice but are the others ?.

So is it worth purchasing his other two 1841s for investment?

I heard sometime last year that a mint roll(s) of CHP1841 had been found, the finder sold them with multiple listings on Ebay, price started top end but flooded the market, in the end they were selling in bulk for less than half book price. There are several now in slabs both this side and the other side of the pond, all very high grades, similar happened with CF1825 a few years ago, too many too soon for the market to absorb and keep price buoyant. There are CHP forgeries, dates I have seen are 1825 and 1826 modern looking contemporary copies, 1845, 1848, 1851 and 1860 there is an error with all, an exaggerated long serif to the first 1 of the date, and the identical flat worn reverse used for all.

In which case, how can you say it's a coin? No markings is a blank disc. It could be anything.

Looking at the previous sales, the earlier picture had a complete E in DEI, whilst the one currrently on offer has the broken E. It could be a genuine small group that he has acquired. Other bulk groups of mint state same date coins have come to light in recent years. 1825 and 1890 farthings for example, or the group of 50 1905 sixpences.

The contemporary fakes are usually easy to spot nowadays but back in the day when they where new and shiny you could of got caught out quite easily in a dimly lit tavern. This is a brass shilling i own. At one stage it would of been silver washed.

Will have a go at this then, thank you, all I want to do it put my coins on?? wife walked in from work last night first thing I said was I can't blooming upload these coins, she shook her head at me and walked off ha ha!