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Not absolutely everyone then! 😂 Still very happy with my acquisition 🖖

Hey, Jerry, apologies I’m deep in Germany right now. The first coin is definitely a 2b. The second is not a series I collect, yet, so not overly familiar without the literature to hand. Nice wins, though…I had all the Edward Penny lots in my watch list. There was that class 1 coin in a lot, along with a 3/4 fragment of a class 1 with an annulet on the breast…prices were all strong, though, so I just had the 4 Elizabeth coins I was after.

Thanks @Jacqui for the edge pictures. With the knurling on the edges I would think this one will unscrew, the ridges offering the extra grip necessary to make the twist. If/when you get it open, you may be able to see the other sides of the shillings. PS - if you find you can't get it to unscrew, try a little 3in1 oil in the joins.

extreme /ɪkˈstriːm/ The word extreme generally describes something that is of the greatest possible degree, intensity, or the farthest from the norm. It can act as either an adjective or a noun, with specific nuances depending on how it is used. [1, 2] Pretty much ‘what it says on the tin’ to quote the old advert. Not easy set a reference point as to what any particular individual would consider extreme as there will be variation of opinion but with experience you will recognise degrees of misalignment of die repairs that are beyond the norm. I would for example consider the F10 ‘triple F’ Penny to be extreme, the side by side 1’s of 1861 and similar.

It is nice to know about these differences and fun to find one, but I don't have the urge to own them. Standard coins and recognised varieties are more to my level of collecting British copper and bronze coins, but I acknowledge your expertise in this field.

Ok thank you !

It looks to me like a repunched R (not extreme). The underlying letter looks offset to the left and a bit lower, and I can certainly see the traces of the right leg of the R

Topless unless my eyes deceive me!

"Your coin will be carefully packaged in protective materials". WHY???

That size would make it a shilling. The one that's dated 1711 is the "no E" type (E is for Edinburgh where many of the post-Union - England and Scotland - coins were minted, and the E would be below the bust). The other shilling we can't see the date of, but it's a "plain angles" type - i.e. there is just blank space between the shields of the royal arms; the alternative would be roses or plumes between them.

Hi Paddy, thank you for such a quick reply. I should have put the size, sorry. The coin part is approx 2cm. I cant see a hinge as such, hre are re edge pics.

Hi, could you please define extreme, @Martinminerva took the time before to explain this which I understood. But I cant help but notice these. Im posting this here I dont wish to hijack rather continue the conversation. Am I correct in thinking the image I have attached is not extreme. I can't see any trace of the right leg of the R. I over R I dont think so.. but once I see these I kind of stuck on them. I know the early bronze coinage this is quite common. Where it could become interesting if it was I over R. Thanks

I suppose we'll have to arrive at the identity of whoever it is/was by a process of elimination. Could you give us a teeny weeny clue - a long term member or more recent? (Ah, no need. I've seen another 'Guest' post where it was edited before the member left...)

It's a very specialised area - I would guess that the vast majority of collectors aren’t especially interested, or see them negatively as a defect?

No!

Right back on the first couple of pages of this thread I see there was discussion about partly filled date numerals in George V pennies, whether they constitute collectible varieties, etc. Clearly V M Court was keen on them, as shown by the attention he gave to the 1915 and 1920 examples. But over the years they seem to have attracted very little comment. This coin arrived in the post today, purchased unattributed from eBay for £2.18 including postage which I'm very pleased about: An almost perfect match for Mr Court's example, a coin which featured prominently in a celebrated document. Wouldn't everyone want one?

The user above was a member when they posted that, but they asked me to delete their account. I left the recent post and others elsewhere for posterity.

Nice curiosity! What size is it? Difficult to see what denomination of Queen Anne coin has been used. I think we would need to see pics of the edge and hinge (if any) to guess how to open it. It may just be a push fit that has become too tight, or there may have been a catch on the opposite edge to the ring. I have also seen things where the ring mount itself can be pulled or twisted to unlock the box. Some tobacco boxes just required squeezing in a particular direction. Could be almost anything!

Sadly l think this cartoon would now be banned in USA as they have turned antifa into a formal organisation and smeared it with bad actors from a fake splinter group

Honestly l'm hoping the opposite: the world gets fed up with authoritarian dictators and decides to take the opposite exit from turnstile of democracy, toward Monarchy and empires instead. The authoritarian serves himself, a cult of personality upheld by thugs and fake death threats he authorised himself. The Monarch serves under God and is virtuous. We already have a very good one who gives excellent speeches, he has brains and virtue. He beats most politicians.

I trust you already know that reacting to the "woke brigade" is part of the same coin being er ... how to continue the analogy ... pushed into circulation. It's ironic that you're buying into the scene while acknowledging the scene. [Not a serious criticism, just observing, you're quite an intelligent guy] Pootin doesn't need to cross seas, when everyone can be pushed down rabbit holes in social media echo chambers, opposing factions that won't debate each other. In comes a firebrand politician. He gets exposed for fraud ... but not jailed. His followers are actual sexoffenders omigosh. But ... yet .... nothing happens, their popularity increases. Then the biggie: the firebrand himself gets arrested for something repugnant. Photo of him with angry face becomes iconic. And ... yet ... he's teflon, he gets out of it, and eventually becomes PM, his useless thugs now becoming serving politicians. No need for Pootin to invade, he can create satellite states. This is just the old Soviet system of repression., gulags. Bring a crackpot dictator out of nowhere, make him win via huge cash injections. Dictator then employs brutes with frankly criminal physiognomy, boney faces with cruel eyes. They are perfect for unquestioningly doing ugly work for the dictator. I mean, separating parents from kids and putting each family member into forced labour or just shooting them dead and selling so seized spoils on the black market. To keep the scheme going, the thugs themselves are of course soon summoned to the Lubyanka house for a quick debriefing, and shot in the neck while being led to the Komissar's office. That's why thugs are encouraged, they're scum and the dictator knows it, he just needs someone disposable and he absolutely does dispose of these lackeys in short order. It's a system with a high turnover, high body count, too much upheaval for any meaningful dissent to gain a foothold. So that's why there are extreme pootin lovin authoritarians in politics now and they draw on people stuck in social media rabbit holes, the lackeys on social media are the useful idiots needed to take this thing forward. It's not a faux pas when one of them gets shamed for horrible posts or sex offences. It's actually a recruiting drive. They want the sickos to come out of the woodwork because their whole scene is ugly and so needs crappy scumbags.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oxford-Junior-History-Tudors-Stuarts/dp/0199181217 I believe this was the one l had at home when l was young, l think it was a giveaway from my local primary school. Profusely illustrated. Sadly l can't find page images online so l can't be sure but the date of 1981 fits the bill.

Thanks Jerry. That makes a lot of sense. I have not studied die cracks much, a lot to learn.

Hi I have what looks like a coin box/fob made with 1711 Queen Ann coins. Can anyone one tell me anything about this please, and how would I open it? thank you!

Definitely a die crack. As metal is lost from the sides of the crack the flaw on the coin becomes steadily wider until the die breaks or is withdrawn from use. Jerry