Chris Perkins

In the UK before 1971 the currency was made up of 20 shillings and each shilling consisted of 12 old pence, so 240 pennies in a pound. It was based on the very old Roman libra, solidus, and denarius (so it was Italian ). The existing pound sign £ still looks like an 'L' and old pennies were suffixed with a 'd' so e.g. 6d was sixpence. It wasn't called 'pre-decimal' at the time but afterwards when everything was decimal (e.g. the pound remained the same but was made of 100 new pennies) the older style division of the pound into shillings and old pennies became known as pre-decimal.

There is a decimal coin section: https://www.predecimal.com/forum/forum/61-decimal-coins/ But the forum is mainly focussed on pre-decimal coinage (before 1971). Some members do have some involvement with decimal coins but I don't think many buy those larger silver proof issues. I assume you bought it because you are a Freddie Mercury fan?

I have merged the 2 similar topics into 1. 5 oz is it. I can't remember off the top of my head (without checking) if the £10 silver proof version of the Music Legends coins have the same design as the £5 variants. Sometimes they have slightly different designs for the larger silver proof versions of coins.

Oh ok. Then hello and welcome! Can't be too careful these days.

Yes, you posted it before (since merged with the similar topic). I replied, and now you've created this similar topic for no reason. Reply to this message please, or I'll have to assume that you're some kind of spammer or time-wasting bot.

As there is no automated way of translating, I think you'd be better off posting in English Enzo. That appears to be a Freddie Mercury silver proof £5 (edit: £10). One of the Royal Mint's 'Music Legends' series. It might even be the one they are currently peddling.

500k should normally be plenty for a decent sized image. The one below is just 161k (it doesn't have a lot of actual detail because it's a new modern coin, but even so).

Keep an eye on the Items For Sale topic, I have scruffy crowns and some scruffy other stuff plus nicer coins that I'll be offering here soon.

Great. Message me and we'll sort out the technicalities.

Do you want a new place for it? It's such a shame that the pics are not available on the internet archive. My hosting provider doesn't charge me at all for low volume websites. I have a couple of small hobby websites of my own and also host for others (e.g. my friend Steve's https://www.thefakepoundcoindatabase.co.uk). There would be no charge of course!

Even if one-pees are ever removed from circulation, the RM won't miss an opportunity to milk them for as long as possible, minting BU as normal and as many other 1p novelty types as they can possibly sell - probably long after actual money itself becomes just a novelty... merely old fashioned gift vouchers/tokens to hand to people on special occasions and for use by people who refuse to let go. I'm a fan of actual cash, I think over here in Germany cash is probably more widely used than in the UK. In the end people will always go with what is most convenient, they don't really care . Apart from criminals, they'll all have to switch to crypto! I don't remember shillings either. Or technically I suppose I do, because they were still in use in the 80s as 5p. I bet retaining the shilling name (and multiples thereof) would have worked perfectly fine if they were dual 5p/shillings from the start. In fact even in the 70s when the 1p/2p still had useful spending power, they probably would have known they would eventually be phased out just like the half-pee was. In fact, the 1p removal from circ (but not existence) is probably long overdue. How about re-valuing a new £1 at £10 old-decimal fv, made up of 20 new-shillings (equiv of 50p each) and a new new penny at 100th of a new £1, i.e. 10p in old-decimal. Yeah, that would work and wouldn't be confusing at all 😑

My idea a few years ago was to do away with the 1p and 2p because they are comparatively expensive to make and fiddly to deal with, and have the 5p as the smallest denomination in regular use, as is already the case in some countries (I think NZ and Australia have 5c as their smallest in-use coin). But with a just-for-fun and British quirky twist - have it renamed as a 'Shilling' (dually featuring both '5' and 'Shilling' in the design). Items could then be priced in Pounds and Shillings if so desired, but it would still be decimal and technically nothing would change, there would still be 100 pennies in a pound and the 5p would still be 1/20th of a pound just like it and the shilling always were. Merchants could price exactly the same as now, e.g. £3.40 or they could be brave and price as £3/8 for the novelty value. Most would no doubt stick to the way it is now, but it would be fun to have pounds and shillings, and perhaps shillings could catch on at least colloquially. The 10p could be called a florin and the 20p a double florin. The 50p would be 10 shillings, obviously. I think it would be fun thing, but it's no doubt too late to re-establish any kind of shilling now, even in name only, for 2 reasons - 1. People who fondly remember using actual shillings are becoming scarcer so there really isn't much nostalgic connection with shillings, florins etc among the general public as a whole and the concept of having £1 made up of 20 of something would be confusing for many. And.. 2. Physical cash in everyday use for payment of most things is being overtaken by electronic alternatives, so use of actual cash is dwindling and is very likely to continue on a downward trend. Pie in the sky. Maybe it could have worked 20 or 30 years ago!

I have to at least make some cursory effort to inform myself as to why two members are not getting along. Get a bit of background, you know. Although I think I probably wish I hadn't. The BLM thing was years ago and this is a coin forum. Peckris' recent post about Jenrick was silly, but he's still not going on and on about the same thing for years. I'm going to close this topic for now. I may open it again at some point. Please don't start another one or carry on somewhere else where you left off. I think we know where you're coming from by now and you and Peckris are never going to be buddies. That's it, back to coins.

That would be a shame Richard. Of the almost 200k posts, the number of arguments where things get nasty/personal can probably be counted on one AI hand 😉.

FFS, alright STOP. How do you have the energy to hold a grudge for 5+ years and still get so worked up now? I can't even be bothered to read all of the 'Proof there is no god' thread, because even with my 'neutral' cap on, trying to be objective, you really do seem to moan on and on and on. And now you're doing it in this topic, years later! Be cool man, at least for your blood pressure and arteries, it's just not worth it. People don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. Tit for tat nonsense. I don't think I've ever paused/suspended or had to take any disciplinary action on anyone in the forum in 20+ years (some that did have bees in their bonnet tended to leave in a huff of their own accord). Please, either take this elsewhere.... difficult I know, if Peckris has blocked you or whatever. Or find some other place to argue with people. Life's way too short.