Spink Coins of England 2015

[Paulus]

On the left is the example they used to show of a Fine early milled large silver coin (courtesy of Tony Clayton's Coins-of-the-UK site, where it is credited to Spink)

On the right is the corresponding image from Spink 2015 (taken with my aye phone pointed at the page, so apologies)

Both pics are pretty ropey, but there is a clear difference in grade, don't you think?

[Coinery]

I'd say the best part of half a grade up myself!

[azda]

If you want a true price guide then look through previous auctions from this year, Spink is only a guide and not the bible of what a coins value is

[Coinery]

If you want a true price guide then look through previous auctions from this year, Spink is only a guide and not the bible of what a coins value is

I think you might be preaching to the converted?

Edit: sorry, forgot the...?

Edited December 17, 2014 by Coinery

[declanwmagee]

Do you think they thought as deeply as we do about the changes that they have made? Or are we reading too much into them?

Edited December 17, 2014 by declanwmagee

[VickySilver]

That. No wizard meeting put those prices together, mere humans....

[pokal02]

There were 2 James II Crowns in the Spink auction today, graded F & GF. The F is somewhere between the 2014 Spink Coins of England F and the 2015 - I'd still say F+ or even GF myself. (Maybe I'm a bit lenient on James II coins generally - it's not a reign, due to its brevity, where anyone would see that many coins).

It would be interesting to know why the changes in the book were made, but I expect we'll never know. ( This forum, I think, is divided on whether F & VF grades have got more lenient over the years or stayed constant, but no-one thinks they've become less lenient!)

[Peckris]

On the left is the example they used to show of a Fine early milled large silver coin (courtesy of Tony Clayton's Coins-of-the-UK site, where it is credited to Spink)

On the right is the corresponding image from Spink 2015 (taken with my aye phone pointed at the page, so apologies)

Both pics are pretty ropey, but there is a clear difference in grade, don't you think?

Hmm - difficult one. There's definitely more hair and wreath detail on the second, but the bottom looks a bit worse, and much of the rest is about the same. If you were grading on hair/wreath alone, you would say a good half grade difference, but overall, I'd say it was probably the difference between F and GF, i.e. perhaps 1/3 of a grade?

Having said that, the first photo looks as though the tones have all been 'flattened' to show the detail, where the second looks more like a straight photograph with all the dark areas making the essential detail less easy to make out.

[azda]

Well my 2015 has just arrived and have taken a sample of what i have in my collection and compared 2014 and the 2015. The last one i find strange moving up in the lower grades, its a Geo II shilling 1737, a few of these that i have are in higher grades than VF and no prices are given

Spink 2555 Liz I Shilling

2014 Fine 125 VF 525

2015 Fine 110 VF 525

Spink 2656 James I Shilling i.m key

No change in Fine or VF (no price in higher grades)

Spink 2482 Edward VI Shillling (GVF or better)

No change in F or VF (no prices in higher grades)

Spink 2556 Liz I groat (GVF)

No change in Fine or VF (no price in higher grades)

Spink 3647 Geo I Shilling SSC in angles (EF)

2014 F30 VF75 EF300

2015 F30 VF80 EF325

Spink 2337C Henry VIII groat (VF or better)

2014 F200 VF575

2015 F175 VF575

Spink 2791 Charles I Shilling i.m crown (GVF)

2014 F60 VF185

2015 F50 VF185 (No price in higher grade)

Spink 2505 Phillip & Mary sixpence

No change in F or VF

Spink 3921 1887 Crown

2014 F30 VF45 EF100 UNC225

2015 F25 VF40 EF100 UNC200

Spink 3956 Victoria 1860 Halfpenny (No tie to wreath) GEF or better

2014 F8 VF18 EF120 UNC425

2015 F5 VF15 EF120 UNC425

Spink 3700 (moved in lower grades)

2014 F60 VF210 EF900

2015 F65 VF225 EF900

Spink 2785 Charles I Shilling i.m castle over negros head

2014 F150 VF750

2015 F135 VF650

Edited December 20, 2014 by azda

[Peckris]

Well my 2015 has just arrived and have taken a sample of what i have in my collection and compared 2014 and the 2015. The last one i find strange moving up in the lower grades, its a Geo II shilling 1737, a few of these that i have are in higher grades than VF and no prices are given

Spink 2555 Liz I Shilling

2014 Fine 125 VF 525

2015 Fine 110 VF 525

Spink 2656 James I Shilling i.m key

No change in Fine or VF (no price in higher grades)

Spink 2482 Edward VI Shillling (GVF or better)

No change in F or VF (no prices in higher grades)

Spink 2556 Liz I groat (GVF)

No change in Fine or VF (no price in higher grades)

Spink 3647 Geo I Shilling SSC in angles (EF)

2014 F30 VF75 EF300

2015 F30 VF80 EF325

Spink 2337C Henry VIII groat (VF or better)

2014 F200 VF575

2015 F175 VF575

Spink 2791 Charles I Shilling i.m crown (GVF)

2014 F60 VF185

2015 F50 VF185 (No price in higher grade)

Spink 2505 Phillip & Mary sixpence

No change in F or VF

Spink 3921 1887 Crown

2014 F30 VF45 EF100 UNC225

2015 F25 VF40 EF100 UNC200

Spink 3956 Victoria 1860 Halfpenny (No tie to wreath) GEF or better

2014 F8 VF18 EF120 UNC425

2015 F5 VF15 EF120 UNC425

Spink 3700 (moved in lower grades)

2014 F60 VF210 EF900

2015 F65 VF225 EF900

Spink 2785 Charles I Shilling i.m castle over negros head

2014 F150 VF750

2015 F135 VF650

This is where - unless you're a dealer - getting Spink annually seems a somewhat wasted expense. I'd say every 3 years, except when times are volatile?

[azda]

Have to agree Peck

[TomGoodheart]

I'm being very cheeky here but I wondered if anyone with the latest copy would be kind enough to scan the page(s) with the Tower shillings of Charles I on them for me? I am interested to see which coins have been chosen to illustrate the series this time, so a decent dpi resolution would be appreciated.

I only need those (2?) pages. And of course the scan would just be for my own private research, so don't believe there would be any copyright issues to worry about ...

pm or email me if you like. Thanks!

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[azda]

Of you give me an hour Richard i'll sort out a scan for ya old bean Unless someone beats me too it in the meantime

Edited December 27, 2014 by azda

[TomGoodheart]

Thanks Dave! Much appreciated!

[azda]

On checking 2014 spink they are the same images, do you still want?