Spink Coins of England 2015

[Nick]

Arrived yesterday. Will give me something to study this weekend. A cursory glance (of milled silver prices 1816 onwards) shows that young head Victorian silver has increased modestly in UNC, but little else has. Some values have also reduced, as have the prices for most lower grades dictated by bullion value.

[Coinery]

Come on, tell me you didn't know this was going to happen? Can I ask a favour?

What are the F and VF values of 2561 and 2577?

These numbers best represent the non-rarity values of the Elizabeth sixpence and shilling, IMHO.

2013 had them: 2561 65/240 and 2577 110/450

[Nick]

What are the F and VF values of 2561 and 2577?

These numbers best represent the non-rarity values of the Elizabeth sixpence and shilling, IMHO.

2013 had them: 2561 65/240 and 2577 110/450

60/275 and 100/450 respectively.

[Coinery]

What are the F and VF values of 2561 and 2577?

These numbers best represent the non-rarity values of the Elizabeth sixpence and shilling, IMHO.

2013 had them: 2561 65/240 and 2577 110/450

60/275 and 100/450 respectively.

Thanks! Looking pretty stagnant as well, then! I did expect a small rise in the 6ds as a lot have sold really well in the auctions this year! Made me realise I sold a couple of coins a little too cheaply to a fanatic Liz collector! I really like him, though, so it's OK! I believe Chris Comber advises on most of his purchases.

Edit: predictive text issues!

Edited December 12, 2014 by Coinery

[azda]

Whats spink 2785 in VF Nick?

[Nick]

Whats spink 2785 in VF Nick?

£650

[azda]

The same since 2010, for such a rarity i fimd that strange

[Coinery]

How does that compare, is it a C1 shilling? Is it a levelling out of prices for that series?

Edit: EF and rarity material aside!

Edited December 12, 2014 by Coinery

[Coinery]

Haven't you got a job to go to, you're forever replicating my posts? Or am I replicating yours?

Any thoughts on that price, it's surprising? Having said that, is your rarity lumped in an S-number with all the common stuff?

[Peter]

The same since 2010, for such a rarity i fimd that strange

The same since 2010, for such a rarity i fimd that strange

Don't forget Spink is only a guide and what research do you reckon they put into every coin?

[azda]

Its the C1 i.m castle over negros head shilling Stuart that i bought from Rob. Given what Peter

Has just written above does anyone have coin

yearbook 2015 to compare?

Edited December 12, 2014 by azda

[VickySilver]

As far as valuations, IMO, they don't do a lot of research and unless it is a more renowned rarity (and even on occasion with those), the values are changed seemingly at whim. I note with careful comparison that they are influenced, as would even be natural to some extent, by other sources - even Krause.

Still IMO they are also of value and I tend to get one about every other year...

[Peter]

Going back to 1760 CCGB2015 will be far more of a reliable guide.

[azda]

I wad talking about Charles I Peter and 1625-26 so CCGB is'nt helpful in that respect

Edited December 12, 2014 by azda

[TomGoodheart]

Its the C1 i.m castle over negros head shilling Stuart that i bought from Rob. Given what Peter

Has just written above does anyone have coin

yearbook 2015 to compare?

Oddly my records say the price dropped to £575 in the 2012 edition, so there is a rise there.

And of course, Spink doesn't distinguish between relatively commoner marks such as castle and say, negro's head in their pricing. There can be significant differences within a Spink number for different mint marks ...

[TomGoodheart]

How does that compare, is it a C1 shilling? Is it a levelling out of prices for that series?

Edit: EF and rarity material aside!

I think the commoner ones would be

S.2791 (£35 / £165 in 2012 edition) and;

S.2799 (£40/ £140)

so the latest prices for those would be of interest.

My guess? Same as for the Liz I Stuart mentioned. Unchanged or down a tad in F and up £10-£20 or so in VF?

Edited December 12, 2014 by TomGoodheart

[Paulus]

Its the C1 i.m castle over negros head shilling Stuart that i bought from Rob. Given what Peter

Has just written above does anyone have coin

yearbook 2015 to compare?

Oddly my records say the price dropped to £575 in the 2012 edition, so there is a rise there.

And of course, Spink doesn't distinguish between relatively commoner marks such as castle and say, negro's head in their pricing. There can be significant differences within a Spink number for different mint marks ...

Up to £750 in Spink 2013

[azda]

And down again this year, bloody yo yo

[Coinery]

And down again this year, bloody yo yo

Charles I always did have that affect on the economy!

[azda]

To be honest it does'nt really matter, i loves me coin. Cheers Roberto. Oh and youhave an email from me Stewie:)

Edited December 12, 2014 by azda

[Nick]

I think the commoner ones would be

S.2791 (£35 / £165 in 2012 edition) and;

S.2799 (£40/ £140)

so the latest prices for those would be of interest.

2791 50/185

2799 35/140

Edited December 12, 2014 by Nick

[pokal02]

The strangest thing in the new book is the alteration to the milled grading guide. The previous F and VF examples (of a James II Crown) have been taken away and substituted by much better coins - the 'F' looks at least half way to VF even with my conservative grading (I downgrade 75% of coins bought from the grade attributed, and have only ever upgraded one coin). What do others think?

Milled silver seems stagnant in both grades (although they've launched 1697 crown - one of the few I need to upgrade - into the stratosphere). Have taken a (theoretical) hit on some of my lower grade hammered though.

[Paulus]

To me their 'Fine' example of a James II Crown is definitely better than Fine, I agree.

Of the guide prices I have looked up so far for milled silver, in most cases F and VF have stayed put or fallen slightly, EF is up a little ... kind of what was expected I think?

[Coinery]

However, if they've moved the goalposts on grade, their values measured against the values of recent years is now pointless?

[Paulus]

However, if they've moved the goalposts on grade, their values measured against the values of recent years is now pointless?

Indeed so, but I don't believe they have done anything so radical as move the goalposts on grade (their description of Fine condition remains the same as 2 years ago), just that the James II Crown in fine pic looks better than Fine (to me) (and Pokal02)

Edited December 16, 2014 by Paulus