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[mick1271]

[mick1271]

23 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Pics are blurry. Difficult to confirm detail.  

So to confirm, definitely no L C WYON clearly visible under bust?    

The coin has a bit of corrosion , but nothing is visible .Been staring at it for ages and apart from F28 , I can't see what else it could be . Apart from signature missing , everything else looks good for an obv 5 .Colon dots pointing in the right place etc.

 

[mick1271]

This is a bit better.

[mick1271]

still not great , but a bit better

[terrysoldpennies]

Can you give a close up of the ribbons to be sure.

[mick1271]

15 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

Can you give a close up of the ribbons to be sure.

Forgive the quality of the pictures .I am not much of a photographer lol

[terrysoldpennies]

Below is a worn F28 .  Note the outer ribbon at its top has a fold running down along it , and the ribbon itself pinches in at the top towards the knot . only the 5 and the 6 have this and it looks to be the same on your second picture down.  Its not a 6 because the top of Victoria's head would be closer to the teeth . So yes I think its an F28.

[mick1271]

9 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

Below is a worn F28 .  Note the outer ribbon at its top has a fold running down along it , and the ribbon itself pinches in at the top towards the knot . only the 5 and the 6 have this and it looks to be the same on your second picture down.  Its not a 6 because the top of Victoria's head would be closer to the teeth . So yes I think its an F28.

Thanks for taking the time to look at it . The seller was selling a nearly full date run of pennies .all the better ones were being sold separately (bid on an 1845 and 1837 ,but lost both by quite a bit) , but he had a couple of bulk lots, one of which included this one and an 1831 W.W Penny (which I think is rare , but my copper knowledge is limited).The rest were the usual varieties you expect to see in a bulk lot.

Edited October 5, 2020 by mick1271

[secret santa]

I do not intend to add Mick's coin to the population of F28s on my website without a better photograph.

[mick1271]

58 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I do not intend to add Mick's coin to the population of F28s on my website without a better photograph.

They are pretty poor Richard .I only have my phone (or digiscope) to take them . I have a new printer /scanner , so I will get it scanned as soon as I set it up .

[1949threepence]

On 9/14/2020 at 8:02 AM, alfnail said:

The 1857 Gouby Date Style C is seen paired with both OT and PT; I have both types in my collection. I'm pretty sure I have seen it paired with the Ornamental Trident less often, but I have not attempted any stats on this.

The most interesting one I have found is this one (Plain Trident Reverse), which has a 'repaired' numeral 8.

Just back from holiday last night, internet was not good whilst away. Can see I missed a few posts about Victorian Copper pennies, and think I may have a few additional comments to make when get time. 

 

 

Got one - PT though, so not technically a Bramah 23a.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by 1949threepence
problem with photo upload

[mick1271]

17 hours ago, secret santa said:

I do not intend to add Mick's coin to the population of F28s on my website without a better photograph.

 

[mick1271]

17 hours ago, secret santa said:

I do not intend to add Mick's coin to the population of F28s on my website without a better photograph.

These ones are a bit lighter . Looks like my scanning skills are nearly as poor as my photography skills .

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by mick1271

[1949threepence]

4 hours ago, mick1271 said:

These ones are a bit lighter . Looks like my scanning skills are nearly as poor as my photography skills .

 

 

Much better.

[mick1271]

11 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Much better.

Same phone I used , Finally got a bit of sun in Scotland .Decent light makes a huge difference .

[Bernie]

10 minutes ago, mick1271 said:

Same phone I used , Finally got a bit of sun in Scotland .Decent light makes a huge difference .

Looks like a Freeman 28 to me.

[secret santa]

12 hours ago, mick1271 said:

Same phone I used , Finally got a bit of sun in Scotland .Decent light makes a huge difference .

I've now added coin but need your surname, to credit you properly, Mick.

[mick1271]

5 hours ago, secret santa said:

I've now added coin but need your surname, to credit you properly, Mick.

Hi Richard , my 2nd name is Martin .I think there is another Mick Martin in the coin community somewhere, can't remember where I saw his name quoted  , but it caused a bit of confusion on my part . Middle initial L if that helps do differentiate .

[secret santa]

There was a Mick Martin who produced a comprehensive study of copper pennies I believe. I'll check.

[1949threepence]

15 minutes ago, secret santa said:

There was a Mick Martin who produced a comprehensive study of copper pennies I believe. I'll check.

Sounds interesting.

[mick1271]

15 minutes ago, secret santa said:

There was a Mick Martin who produced a comprehensive study of copper pennies I believe. I'll check.

That might be where I have heard his name from . Something to do with Reading coin club as well .Definitely not me lol.

[oldcopper]

12 minutes ago, mick1271 said:

That might be where I have heard his name from . Something to do with Reading coin club as well .Definitely not me lol.

Mick Martin, if it's the same one (there are at least two now!), wrote a long article in SNC 2009 working out the relative rarities of the Soho coinage and restrikes - very useful information. I believe I sent it to Secret Santa a while ago. 

[Martinminerva]

On 30 August 2020 at 8:31 PM, 1949threepence said:

One of the pre 1860 pennies I've found particularly difficult from the identification perspective, is the 1854/3. I'm sure that quite a few of those touted as such are mis-attributed, and I still haven't got one.

Bramah classes them as "rare" but in a "less degree" than some of the others which I've not found especially difficult to obtain. He describes the 4/3 as follows: "The die has been altered from 1853, the 3 showing chiefly to the right and left at top of 4, and in the space between its left base serif and the cross-stroke". That latter point "the space between the left base serif and the cross-stroke", appears to be crucial, because as far as I can tell it shows up quite strongly, whereas marks to the right and left at top of 4 appear so faintly, even under magnification, that you're not sure whether or not you're seeing things that aren't actually there.

I have just listed a slightly battered 1854 over 3 penny here on eBay, Mike, if you or any other forum members are interested.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1854-over-3-Genuine-overdate-Victoria-copper-penny-Very-rare-and-seldom-seen/284038614822?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Dfe85d40bab1b47699207c764eec150ee%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D203128428461%26itm%3D284038614822%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

it is very edgy and has been historically cleaned, but it IS a genuine specimen.

 

[mick1271]

This finally arrived from France after being highlighted on the forum . 1874H 7 over 7 . very poor , but a clear example .

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:

I have just listed a slightly battered 1854 over 3 penny here on eBay, Mike, if you or any other forum members are interested.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1854-over-3-Genuine-overdate-Victoria-copper-penny-Very-rare-and-seldom-seen/284038614822?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Dfe85d40bab1b47699207c764eec150ee%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D203128428461%26itm%3D284038614822%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

it is very edgy and has been historically cleaned, but it IS a genuine specimen.

 

Thanks for the heads up Martin. That looks the real deal.