Danelaw Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 What a great post. Some people would look at that as just a coin. Social history in a nutshell! Quote
Paulus Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 7 hours ago, JLS said: The other interesting fact I know about it is that the reverse design tells you where to get it redeemed ! Eaton's publishing house was based at the Cock and Swine, 74 Newgate Street, sadly long demolished. If you're interested in more about Eaton, there's a lot of academic literature which discusses his activities as his friends and clients were basically a who's-who of the radical political scene of 1790s London. Here's the front page of Eaton's edition of the Rights of Man, for reference, where he's "Citizen Daniel Isaac Eaton, Printer to the Supreme Majesty of the People". So the printer was Eaton but the portrait is Thomas Paine? Quote
Mr T Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Paulus said: Upgrade just landed Nice design. Didn't realise just how much craft went into unofficial stuff like this before I saw this thread. Quote
JLS Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Paulus said: So the printer was Eaton but the portrait is Thomas Paine? No, the portrait is definitely of Eaton with that high forehead. "Frangas non Flectes" was Eaton's personal motto too. Compare this illustration: The connection with Paine is tangential but interesting. Quote
JLS Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Danelaw said: What a great post. Some people would look at that as just a coin. Social history in a nutshell! This is why Peter Withers is always saying that owning a token without researching it is a bit like owning a book without reading it...you can spend hours and hours on some of these pieces. 2 Quote
Zo Arms Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 A recent purchase from eBay. 25mm X 21mm. In lead. Closest I can find via Google is a 'General Fairfax medal ' in gold, held at the British Museum. No sign of a suspension loop on this piece tho. 3 Quote
JLS Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 21 hours ago, Zo Arms said: A recent purchase from eBay. 25mm X 21mm. In lead. Closest I can find via Google is a 'General Fairfax medal ' in gold, held at the British Museum. No sign of a suspension loop on this piece tho. There were three of these in the Murdoch sale (Sotheby 1904), see the attached excerpt from the catalog with a full attribution. None in lead, could possibly be an 18th or 19th century imitation as is common with Civil War medals, especially given the lack of provenance. Quote
JLS Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 Not sure if these belong in my advertising token or French collection ! It was illegal at this point to counterstamp regal coinage, hence the use of French 10 centime pieces. The left countermark dates from 1884 according to Withers. Quote
mhcoins Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 23 hours ago, Zo Arms said: A recent purchase from eBay. 25mm X 21mm. In lead. Closest I can find via Google is a 'General Fairfax medal ' in gold, held at the British Museum. No sign of a suspension loop on this piece tho. Interesting piece ! its definitely not one of Thomas Simons examples , its too crude but its very intriguing. Quote
mhcoins Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mhcoins said: Interesting piece ! its definitely not one of Thomas Simons examples , its too crude but its very intriguing. I'd be interested for my civil war collection, if you would be willing to sell it on Edited January 23, 2020 by mhcoins Quote
Zo Arms Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 5 hours ago, JLS said: There were three of these in the Murdoch sale (Sotheby 1904), see the attached excerpt from the catalog with a full attribution. None in lead, could possibly be an 18th or 19th century imitation as is common with Civil War medals, especially given the lack of provenance. I think you're right. An imitation. The central legend on mine has a stop after R. The real thing has a stop immediately before the R. A lead copy of a gold medal from 1645. The copyist must have had access to the real one at some point to know what he was replicating. Am I allowed to post the screenshot of the British museum medal? Bob. Quote
JLS Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 A rarity for the unofficial farthing collection I picked up earlier this week. 3 Quote
JLS Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Paulus said: Recent acquisition (farthing) I love the fact that on yours the date is readable ! On my example (similar grade) it's too weakly struck to be clear. Think it was probably an afterthought by the engravers...or they just didn't leave enough space and then panicked because their punches were too large ?? 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 9:42 PM, mhcoins said: I'd be interested for my civil war collection, if you would be willing to sell it on It's yours Sir, if you'd care to message me. Bob. 1 Quote
copper123 Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) Bought this at the weekend from birmingham (some idiot had to go when the storm was on didn't they), I just love the tone on it and its a variety I don't have Sparrows Balloon farthing - if you put it into google it gives you a real interesting read Edited February 10, 2020 by copper123 Quote
will1976 Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 21 hours ago, copper123 said: Sparrows Balloon farthing A very nice example. The Sparrow balloon tokens were some of the first I collected in this series, just need the RRR piece for the set of six 2 Quote
copper123 Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Very nice, this is my only example I have this one as well _ i am not sure really if these are actual circulating coins or advertising pieces , but it does not seem to matter they are lovely pieces of social history 1 Quote
will1976 Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, copper123 said: circulating coins or advertising pieces They're a bit of both really and fall into the unofficial farthing series of tokens. There is a wide variety of different trades covered from bakers, grocers and tobacconists through to tea dealers, wine and spirits merchants and photographers 1 Quote
copper123 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I love the idea of "Leather sauce" some sort of early boot polish I would think - great name. Quote
copper123 Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 From the book above what are the two grade prices please ? It does not give a grade or even a year for the values , to know the year its published would be very usefull I would guess VF and EF though its only a guess Quote
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