Rainbow toned us morgan dollar

[Englishpicker]

Thought I'd share it with you lot, I'm a picker and I've just got a nice rainbow toned 1890 morgan dollar. Let me know you think. Tom

[Peckris]

Thought I'd share it with you lot, I'm a picker and I've just got a nice rainbow toned 1890 morgan dollar. Let me know you think. Tom

I'm always suspicious of "rainbow" toning - I just can't see how it can be natural? (I.e. with red yellow and blue all present). If yours had just been blue where it's toned, I would have said "great natural toning". As it is, it really doesn't look bad, in fact it looks nice, but....

And is there a huge gouge on the cheek?

[ski]

im not a fan of rainbow toning, the americans seem to love it, but for me it just doesnt look like natural toning.

[Gollum]

im not a fan of rainbow toning, the americans seem to love it, but for me it just doesnt look like natural toning.

they look like they have been chucked in a hot oven or hit with a blow torch to me.

[Rob]

Thought I'd share it with you lot, I'm a picker and I've just got a nice rainbow toned 1890 morgan dollar. Let me know you think. Tom

I'm always suspicious of "rainbow" toning - I just can't see how it can be natural? (I.e. with red yellow and blue all present). If yours had just been blue where it's toned, I would have said "great natural toning". As it is, it really doesn't look bad, in fact it looks nice, but....

And is there a huge gouge on the cheek?

You can get red, yellow and blue all present at the same time. Neither of these two are AT, guaranteed.

1807 silver halfpenny

P1169, pattern halfpenny

[ski]

ngc have a whole raft of em slabbed, some are really dreadful, especially the uk coinage.

www.ngccoins.com click on the rainbow coins button , if all coins were like this i would collect beer mats.

[Rob]

ngc have a whole raft of em slabbed, some are really dreadful, especially the uk coinage.

www.ngccoins.com click on the rainbow coins button , if all coins were like this i would collect beer mats.

I don't think any of the British are AT given the age of the pieces. What is more of an issue is the rainbow toned coins that are still in nappies. You don't get modern coins from the last few decades with some of the toning seen. They are invariably multihued concentric circles. The older coins on the site listed have random patchy colouring which is what you would expect for 100+ year old silver.

[Gollum]

Is that an original "scarface" morgan ?.

[Accumulator]

Thought I'd share it with you lot, I'm a picker and I've just got a nice rainbow toned 1890 morgan dollar. Let me know you think. Tom

I'm always suspicious of "rainbow" toning - I just can't see how it can be natural? (I.e. with red yellow and blue all present). If yours had just been blue where it's toned, I would have said "great natural toning". As it is, it really doesn't look bad, in fact it looks nice, but....

And is there a huge gouge on the cheek?

You can get red, yellow and blue all present at the same time. Neither of these two are AT, guaranteed.

I'm generally very suspicious of rainbow toning, but those are beautiful coins Rob. I want the gift from Peck!

Edited January 2, 2012 by Accumulator

[Rob]

Thought I'd share it with you lot, I'm a picker and I've just got a nice rainbow toned 1890 morgan dollar. Let me know you think. Tom

I'm always suspicious of "rainbow" toning - I just can't see how it can be natural? (I.e. with red yellow and blue all present). If yours had just been blue where it's toned, I would have said "great natural toning". As it is, it really doesn't look bad, in fact it looks nice, but....

And is there a huge gouge on the cheek?

You can get red, yellow and blue all present at the same time. Neither of these two are AT, guaranteed.

I'm generally very suspicious of rainbow toning, but those are beautiful coins Rob. I want the gift from Peck!

The second one was gifted from Peck to Rev. Rogers in 1957 as the ticket says. It was then acquired by Baldwins post mortem in 1961 where it languished in the basement for over 40 years whereupon I bought it. AT it isn't, though it is deliciously toned and looks like an oil painting. It is the worst condition of any of my R59 halfpennies, but I felt compelled to create a "Far too nice to sell" category and so retained some duplication.

The first one was ex Selig (sold 1999) who got it from the Circular in 1982. The toning patterns are the same now as then, so definitely not AT either.

[Peter]

Pic them all day...not for me.If you want a nice toned 70's proof see me.Bring on the brasso

[Gollum]

Pic them all day...not for me.If you want a nice toned 70's proof see me.Bring on the brasso

What's with the Brasso, can't you afford duraglit ?. Much better shine Peter.

[Peckris]

Pic them all day...not for me.If you want a nice toned 70's proof see me.Bring on the brasso

What's with the Brasso, can't you afford duraglit ?. Much better shine Peter.

There are many 1973 proofs that would benefit greatly from your Brasso Peter

[Gollum]

Pic them all day...not for me.If you want a nice toned 70's proof see me.Bring on the brasso

What's with the Brasso, can't you afford duraglit ?. Much better shine Peter.

There are many 1973 proofs that would benefit greatly from your Brasso Peter

Heathen, philistine. Have you no respect for coins !. Someone probably said the same things about all those rare coins you are seeking now, one day my cheap tat is going to be the next 1933 penny. Look at it this way, if people keep buying the silver and old content coins for scrap soon the few left that are common are going to be rare, and possibly sooner than you think. likewise those who scrap all the old worn pennies to keep the numbers down.

Keep your Brasso away from mine....

[Peckris]

Pic them all day...not for me.If you want a nice toned 70's proof see me.Bring on the brasso

What's with the Brasso, can't you afford duraglit ?. Much better shine Peter.

There are many 1973 proofs that would benefit greatly from your Brasso Peter

Heathen, philistine. Have you no respect for coins !. Someone probably said the same things about all those rare coins you are seeking now, one day my cheap tat is going to be the next 1933 penny. Look at it this way, if people keep buying the silver and old content coins for scrap soon the few left that are common are going to be rare, and possibly sooner than you think. likewise those who scrap all the old worn pennies to keep the numbers down.

Keep your Brasso away from mine....

LOL - you probably haven't seen the very worst 1973 proofs! I can tell you in all seriousness that Brasso would do those a BIG favour. It was a bad year...

[Englishpicker]

Thought I'd share it with you lot, I'm a picker and I've just got a nice rainbow toned 1890 morgan dollar. Let me know you think. Tom

I'm always suspicious of "rainbow" toning - I just can't see how it can be natural? (I.e. with red yellow and blue all present). If yours had just been blue where it's toned, I would have said "great natural toning". As it is, it really doesn't look bad, in fact it looks nice, but....

And is there a huge gouge on the cheek?

Its funny the bit on the cheek because it not damaged or gouged, it an area that is the natural silver colour and that hasn't toned?

[Englishpicker]

Thanks for all your comments guys. I have to say that I didn't expect the degree of harsness towards this coin.I'm a new collector and Its really all I can afford on my low budget and I'm happy with it. I'm not a true coin collector, I just like owning a few nice coins.

[Englishpicker]

[Rob]

Thanks for all your comments guys. I have to say that I didn't expect the degree of harsness towards this coin.I'm a new collector and Its really all I can afford on my low budget and I'm happy with it. I'm not a true coin collector, I just like owning a few nice coins.

I don't think there is a great degree of harshness towards your coin per se. The problem is one of many US coins which for the past decade or two have been promoted as rainbow toned where there is no earthly chance the colour was acquired naturally. A coin from 1890 which has a degree of toning is quite acceptable. Your coin has some wear, so an amount of peripheral toning together with some in the recesses of the design is quite normal and is clearly offset by friction to the high points. Is the mark on the cheek on the coin or the holder as this is a bit of a blemish if on the coin and would affect its value?

There is nothing wrong with collecting what you like - every single person on this forum is guilty of that. Irrespective of budget, if you like it and it gives you pleasure, take the hedonistic approach and stick two fingers up to those who don't like it. It's a good job there are plenty of contrarians, otherwise there would be no relief from a monotonous diet of bronze pennies.

If you could define a true coin collector please let us know, as I'm sure someone will disagree.

[Peckris]

Thanks for all your comments guys. I have to say that I didn't expect the degree of harsness towards this coin.I'm a new collector and Its really all I can afford on my low budget and I'm happy with it. I'm not a true coin collector, I just like owning a few nice coins.

I don't think there is a great degree of harshness towards your coin per se. The problem is one of many US coins which for the past decade or two have been promoted as rainbow toned where there is no earthly chance the colour was acquired naturally. A coin from 1890 which has a degree of toning is quite acceptable. Your coin has some wear, so an amount of peripheral toning together with some in the recesses of the design is quite normal and is clearly offset by friction to the high points. Is the mark on the cheek on the coin or the holder as this is a bit of a blemish if on the coin and would affect its value?

There is nothing wrong with collecting what you like - every single person on this forum is guilty of that. Irrespective of budget, if you like it and it gives you pleasure, take the hedonistic approach and stick two fingers up to those who don't like it. It's a good job there are plenty of contrarians, otherwise there would be no relief from a monotonous diet of bronze pennies.

If you could define a true coin collector please let us know, as I'm sure someone will disagree.

Agreed. You specifically asked for thoughts about the toning - we told you! But it is an attractive coin, whether or not the toning is natural. I wouldn't refuse it house-room at the right price. I think you picked well.

[Accumulator]

Thanks for all your comments guys. I have to say that I didn't expect the degree of harsness towards this coin.I'm a new collector and Its really all I can afford on my low budget and I'm happy with it. I'm not a true coin collector, I just like owning a few nice coins.

Sorry if it came across as harshness but, as in all forums, there are pet topics which the regulars have discussed many times before and newcomers can inadvertently stumble into. Here, one of these is the US love of extreme toned coins (the so called rainbow toning). No-one meant to criticise your coin (excepting what appears to be an unsightly mark on the cheek) but it did start us off on the perennial discussion of toning. Also, we all have budgets and some young members have budgets well below the price of your coin. We're a friendly bunch really.

[Englishpicker]

Its ok guys.I'm sure you get asked the same questions again and again. I get the same on some of the antique forums,it drives me nuts!

Well I enjoy collecting bits that I like and I haven't got £1000 to spend on top coin, but maybe someday. Places I love most are the bargin bins,lol

I'm new to coin collecting business and so far it hasn't been very welcoming, if I'm honest. The 3 coins shops I've been to, have been the rudest, treated me like I'm a retard. With them having a massive power trip over the whole 'knowledge is power' thing.I just think that if coin coin collectors / traders want to keep the hobby alive and get young people such as myself interested, this is not the way. It was a far to exclusive atmosphere, so I much prefer buying coins at antique shops and shows. I'm in the east midlands and I don't see many coin shops and shows, but I will try and go to others and not let the others put me off. Sorry for the rant.

[TomGoodheart]

Its ok guys.I'm sure you get asked the same questions again and again. I get the same on some of the antique forums,it drives me nuts!

Well I enjoy collecting bits that I like and I haven't got £1000 to spend on top coin, but maybe someday. Places I love most are the bargin bins,lol

I'm new to coin collecting business and so far it hasn't been very welcoming, if I'm honest. The 3 coins shops I've been to, have been the rudest, treated me like I'm a retard. With them having a massive power trip over the whole 'knowledge is power' thing.I just think that if coin coin collectors / traders want to keep the hobby alive and get young people such as myself interested, this is not the way. It was a far to exclusive atmosphere, so I much prefer buying coins at antique shops and shows. I'm in the east midlands and I don't see many coin shops and shows, but I will try and go to others and not let the others put me off. Sorry for the rant.

No apologies needed. Rants are as welcome as any other threads here! And it's a shame you had bad experiences from the shops you visited. I'm sure the sellers here would have treated you much better!

As for collecting, I suspect few here have £1000 to spend on a coin and it'd have to be pretty exceptional for those that do! And you're definitely not the only bargain bin lover either! But knowledge of your own is a good thing to have. That way not only can you pick things you like, but you can maybe choose coins that are more difficult to find or are in better than average condition.

And I like toning on my coins. More than I like shiny cleaned ones anyway, but we all have to accept what we can afford at times.

Edited January 25, 2012 by TomGoodheart

[Peter]

Its ok guys.I'm sure you get asked the same questions again and again. I get the same on some of the antique forums,it drives me nuts!

Well I enjoy collecting bits that I like and I haven't got £1000 to spend on top coin, but maybe someday. Places I love most are the bargin bins,lol

I'm new to coin collecting business and so far it hasn't been very welcoming, if I'm honest. The 3 coins shops I've been to, have been the rudest, treated me like I'm a retard. With them having a massive power trip over the whole 'knowledge is power' thing.I just think that if coin coin collectors / traders want to keep the hobby alive and get young people such as myself interested, this is not the way. It was a far to exclusive atmosphere, so I much prefer buying coins at antique shops and shows. I'm in the east midlands and I don't see many coin shops and shows, but I will try and go to others and not let the others put me off. Sorry for the rant.

Often its horses for courses.It is good to strike up a conversation rather than just peer at trays.

Everyone has good and bad days....maybe ask a few questions which may open a conversation.

Don't give up on the strength of a couple of bad experiences.I'm also a fisherman and it took a while before I joined the coffee/tea set on a Saturday morning at the local tackle shop.

[moneyer12]

our americans cousins appear to rave over heavily toned coins and if they are slabbed to boot they are almost orgasmic. personally i do not find a heavily toned coin attractive at all, and i'll wager that the vast majority are artificially created monstrosities.