azda Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Hello my first post and thanks to a fellow member who advised me I had a George 111 Halfcrown fake on my Ebay site . I thought I could identify one of these but apparently not and have now taken off my site and will speaking to the Auction I purchased it from. I hope to learn from this forum and hopefully improve my knowlege of a subject I love . My coin site is classiccoins-uk.CheersEdwardThis must be a first, surely. An honest ebayer with a thirst for knowledge! Perhaps there is hope.Hello Edward.Perhaps we should also commend him for holding his hands up. These fakes without education are killing the hobby. Welcome to the forum Ed, glad to hear you have taken the coin down. If in doubt, check out forum member seuk, he has a website dedicated to the fakes of George III (anyone got the link to hand?)Here's hoping you get your money back from wherever it came from, it they don't, or argue the toss, send it to CGS for verification then ask them for the 30 quid fee on top of what you paid for it. Good luck and let us know how you get on with the return. Quote
azda Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Welcome Edward! Seuk pointed out I had a dodgy 1818 HC the other day, which I have just been refunded for - which reminds me, I must send him those pics I promised!Just curious Paul, did the seller of your fake not say anything or ask why it was fake etc? Or did they just and the cash back? Quote
Paulus Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Welcome Edward! Seuk pointed out I had a dodgy 1818 HC the other day, which I have just been refunded for - which reminds me, I must send him those pics I promised!Just curious Paul, did the seller of your fake not say anything or ask why it was fake etc? Or did they just and the cash back?He accepted what I said (the 180 degree rotation is pretty conclusive!) and said he would be returning it to DNW!!Also that it was 'embarrassing' - no quibbles Edited June 22, 2014 by Paulus 1 Quote
HistoricCoinage Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 If in doubt, check out forum member seuk, he has a website dedicated to the fakes of George III (anyone got the link to hand?)http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.html Quote
azda Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 DNW????????? Hmmmmm that would mean it would be listed in their previous sales catalogues. Do we know which sale, or when bought allegedly? Quote
azda Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 If in doubt, check out forum member seuk, he has a website dedicated to the fakes of George III (anyone got the link to hand?)http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.htmlThanks Clive, will add this too the useful links section now 1 Quote
Peckris Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Hello my first post and thanks to a fellow member who advised me I had a George 111 Halfcrown fake on my Ebay site . I thought I could identify one of these but apparently not and have now taken off my site and will speaking to the Auction I purchased it from. I hope to learn from this forum and hopefully improve my knowlege of a subject I love . My coin site is classiccoins-uk.CheersEdwardThat series is fraught with danger - contemporary forgeries of all silver denominations, usually silver-washed copper. But don't despair - seuk is fast becoming recognised as THE expert on them! (However, the non-contemporary Chinese fakes are much more worrying and harder to spot ) Quote
Paulus Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Hello my first post and thanks to a fellow member who advised me I had a George 111 Halfcrown fake on my Ebay site . I thought I could identify one of these but apparently not and have now taken off my site and will speaking to the Auction I purchased it from. I hope to learn from this forum and hopefully improve my knowlege of a subject I love . My coin site is classiccoins-uk.CheersEdwardThat series is fraught with danger - contemporary forgeries of all silver denominations, usually silver-washed copper. But don't despair - seuk is fast becoming recognised as THE expert on them! (However, the non-contemporary Chinese fakes are much more worrying and harder to spot )They certainly are, the 1818 HC I had had eye appeal, was silver, and if it hadn't been 180 degrees off on the die rotation it may have survived undetected for longer - thank goodness they made such a schoolboy error! Quote
Peter Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Thank goodness for SEUK..our resident fake spotter. Quote
Nick Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 The fake 1818 halfcrown doesn't seem to be known by some of the established auction houses. DNW and London Coins auction archives both contain examples of the fakes. In their March sale, London Coins sold two (lots 1652 and 1653) which exhibit all of the known flaws and a few more: dent in the forehead, nicks on the chin and the neck etc. 1 Quote
Coinery Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 The fake 1818 halfcrown doesn't seem to be known by some of the established auction houses. DNW and London Coins auction archives both contain examples of the fakes. In their March sale, London Coins sold two (lots 1652 and 1653) which exhibit all of the known flaws and a few more: dent in the forehead, nicks on the chin and the neck etc.Then I guess, as Peter mentioned in a different post, this is indeed the very last net in fake avoidance! Madness that it takes experts on here to expose the inadequacies of experts out there!The story life over! Quote
Paulus Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) As Nick says, 2 lots from the London Coins March 2014 Auction (see below), and here's one from the DNW 21 June 2012 auction. As you can see, all 3 coins share identical imperfections (for example the small dig just above the King's eye).DNW 21 June 2012 Lot 732: Edited June 23, 2014 by Paulus 1 Quote
HistoricCoinage Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 That knick above the eye is very obvious once pointed out! Another obvious one is an identical scratch on the second I of BRITANNIA on all three. Quote
Coinery Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 And the neck abrasions, especially, ALL match! Loosing all faith in experts! You're all on your own wits and the predecimal forum m'friends! Quote
Coinery Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 I'd love to have one in-hand, just to see if it feels instinctively right? Quote
Nick Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 London Coins should probably know better because CGS have previously rejected one as non-authentic (UIN:23853). Quote
Coinery Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Another point if interest, is this presently the only known modern fake of this coin? Quote
Paulus Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Another point if interest, is this presently the only known modern fake of this coin?Seuk has got several examples on his web site, most are much cruder:http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.halfcrown.html Quote
seuk Posted June 23, 2014 Author Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) The coins on my web site are all contemporary counterfeits. It seems likely that some marks on the Chinese fakes are more clearly visible on high grade fakes.This however reminds me that I once bought some low quality fake Victoria halfcrowns (1853 and 1877 of many available years). My guess is that at least one of the years exist as a high grade forgery... Edited June 23, 2014 by seuk Quote
Paulus Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) The coins on my web site are all contemporary counterfeits. It seems likely that some marks on the Chinese fakes are more clearly visible on high grade fakes.This however reminds me that I once bought some low grade Victoria halfcrowns (1853 and 1877 of many available years). My guess is that at least one of the years exist as a high grade forgery...Sorry Seuk, of course they are. Best pics I have are being emailed to you later Edited June 23, 2014 by Paulus Quote
Nick Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 There are a couple of dodgy 1818 halfcrowns for sale here but if you don't want to pay that much for a replica (and I'm sure you don't) try here. Quote
Paulus Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks Nick.This would appear to be their current range of GB numismatic stuff:linkFor less than £1.50 delivered I have ordered an 1818 HC - will be useful to learn the look and feel of these in the hand Edited June 26, 2014 by Paulus Quote
TomGoodheart Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 There are a couple of dodgy 1818 halfcrowns for sale here but if you don't want to pay that much for a replica (and I'm sure you don't) try here.Good grief! One of the sellers has even called themselves PCGS!Sorry I sold my Northumberland now. Not sure I'd risk buying another! Quote
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