Recent aquisitions

[damian1986]

Cheers yes I use MA Shops quite a bit. Actually bought a Joseph II 20 Kreuzer off there yesterday. Tell you what though they do like a good dip on there, here's a link to one of the dealers.

What's a paint spray addict got to do with coins?? Even your full link (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381461/Addict-Kelly-Gibson-arrested-sniffing-spray-paint-covered-silver-mugshot.html) says what it is...

Sorry forgive my shit sense of humour. I'll make up for it with a few interesting ones coming this week.

[davidrj]

Another in the "Wacky Design" category

France Louis XIV Brass Jeton - Ordinaire des Guerres (Feuardent 498 Nuremberg)



Don't think the engraver had actually seen a live elephant

[davidrj]

and this

1331-1355 Bugaria Ivan Alexander & Michael Asen IV

[davidrj]

and another

1536 Reval (Tallinn) Baltic Crusaders Livonia, Schilling

[Rob]

Another in the "Wacky Design" category

France Louis XIV Brass Jeton - Ordinaire des Guerres (Feuardent 498 Nuremberg)

Don't think the engraver had actually seen a live elephant

Vietnamese pot-bellied elephant?

[bagerap]

I've been looking for the Louis XIV elephant jeton for some time, haven't come across one in such good nick. Nice find.

[damian1986]

Daniel Dupuis did some nice work (course he was no Pistrucci ) but then his wife killed him in his sleep. Maybe he ought to have engraved

"Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité, ou la Mort" (liberty, equality, freedom, or death)

which was the phrase commonly seen around the time of the French Revolution. I suspect they'd had enough of death by the time of the Third Republic though...

[damian1986]

I've been doing a bit around enlightened absolutism so a Joseph II purchase was in order. He introduced the serfdom patent which proposed to give peasants the right to move between estates to find work and to marry whomever they wanted but some of the Austrian states refused to either 1. tell the peasants or 2. enact it at all.

Anyway I'm concerned about this one. The B mint mark is in the wrong place for me - usually it's directly beneath the bust on the obverse. This particular issue was purportedly minted at Kremnitz and you do see some differences between Austrian and Hungarian Kreuzers, and across the 1770s in general, but still... anyone know much about these to be able to help?

[damian1986]

French emergency money. I'm not usually a fan of zinc but I reckon this is actually embellished by the toning, on the reverse at least.

[damian1986]

Getting carried away now, the best last (not a great photo though unfortunately):

[scott]

there are a few differant Austrian types I think

and decent zinc and tin coins do look quite nice.

Edited May 10, 2014 by scott

[damian1986]

there are a few differant Austrian types I think

and decent zinc and tin coins do look quite nice.

Thanks Scott. Yea I noticed quite a few varieties of each type just no others with the lower bust and mint mark to the left of the ribbon.

Yes I agree, though I had a hard time of it when hunting down the second issue reichspfennigs of the Third Reich. I didn't do the notgeld piece justice with my photography but the original image does

[davidrj]

This one arrived this morning

This on first glance is a 1662 schilling minted for Riga in Latvia in the name of Christina of Sweden, however it is copper not silver.

Took me a while to correctly attribute - It is in fact a Romanian coin - counterfeits were made in Suceava, probably by Titus Livius Boratini (between 1661-1663), during the reign of Istratie Dabija (1661-1665) and probably this activity was continued by the following rulers of Moldavia – Gheorghe Duca (1665-1666, 1668-1672 and 1678-1683) and Ilias Alexandru (1666-1668). The schillings minted in Suceava are struck in copper alloy, some of them having traces of silvering, with a poor technical execution, with wrong legends etc.

see http://romaniancoins.ancients.info/falsuri.htm

Having great fun with these remarkably cheap little hammered coins, this one £2.20 plus £2 postage

David

[davidrj]

1180-1213 France - Priory of Souvigny anonymous denier

[Nordle11]

there are a few differant Austrian types I think

and decent zinc and tin coins do look quite nice.

Thanks Scott. Yea I noticed quite a few varieties of each type just no others with the lower bust and mint mark to the left of the ribbon.

Yes I agree, though I had a hard time of it when hunting down the second issue reichspfennigs of the Third Reich. I didn't do the notgeld piece justice with my photography but the original image does

Lovely coin Damian. Not my area but really enjoying the detail!

[scott]

love those pieces, got a few of the French and German issues, including the Oran (Algeria 10 centimes)

£3.65, love these copper cobs. not seen many with the $ countermark, looks like 1659 date is upside down on the left.

£4.

[damian1986]

Lovely coin Damian. Not my area but really enjoying the detail!

Thanks Matt me also. It's the first French emergency token I've bought too so 'fills that gap' in a manner of speaking.

[damian1986]

£3.65, love these copper cobs. not seen many with the $ countermark, looks like 1659 date is upside down on the left.

Interesting, why are they called cobs and how come they were minted like that?

[scott]

minted on outdated equipment, just were lumps of copper, countermarked.

[damian1986]

Two Russian silver wire Kopecks of Peter I (c. 1700). Approx 10mm x 8mm (!)

As I understand it they rolled silver into wire with the needed diameter and then would cut the wire along its length to produce each flan, really a crude way of ensuring 'consistency' in weight / silver content. Two dies were then smashed together with a hammer, the bottom die fixed and the top die held in position by whoever was doing the hammering.

[Peckris]

Two Russian silver wire Kopecks of Peter I (c. 1700). Approx 10mm x 8mm (!)

As I understand it they rolled silver into wire with the needed diameter and then would cut the wire along its length to produce each flan, really a crude way of ensuring 'consistency' in weight / silver content. Two dies were then smashed together with a hammer, the bottom die fixed and the top die held in position by whoever was doing the hammering.

Fascinating - and not bad coins either, despite their irregularity (or perhaps because of it?)

[scott]

I have a few of those, posted one on here a few pages back that is a full round one.

[damian1986]

I have a few of those, posted one on here a few pages back that is a full round one.

Two Russian silver wire Kopecks of Peter I (c. 1700). Approx 10mm x 8mm (!)

As I understand it they rolled silver into wire with the needed diameter and then would cut the wire along its length to produce each flan, really a crude way of ensuring 'consistency' in weight / silver content. Two dies were then smashed together with a hammer, the bottom die fixed and the top die held in position by whoever was doing the hammering.

Fascinating - and not bad coins either, despite their irregularity (or perhaps because of it?)

See I think that their irregularity is, in the main part, testament to the minting process, they'd be flattened out and end up more oval in shape.

Actually Peter I did away with these coins, introducing the rouble in about 1705'ish off the top of my head..

The one you posted Scott is the Ivan the Terrible one? The odd thing is, and I may be wrong here but it does seem this way, the older wire money is actually better. All of the Peter I wire money seems to be crude, oval and missing parts of the inscription. These dealer graded these gVF and aEF respectively if that helps put it into some sort of perspective - I was only really interested in seeing the portrait on the obverse and a 'legible' description on the reverse: hence two purchases to cover more ground in this respect. The full inscription would read 'Tsar and Great Prince Peter Alekseevich of all Russia'.

Edited May 15, 2014 by damian1986

[scott]

nah mine has toning and everything, i prefer that to the wires because it doesnt look like a clipped piece of silver.

[damian1986]

nah mine has toning and everything, i prefer that to the wires because it doesnt look like a clipped piece of silver.

'nah' as in you do have a Peter I, couldn't find it sorry can you post it? I think you did well with the Ivan the Terrible good scalp.