Terror Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Hi folks,Greetings from Bonnie Dundee I have spent a week reading the forums since I registered, and have been really impressed with the knowledge the members have shown on here ..Alas ! I am NOT a coin collector, and I have a wee query to ask the experts on here ...My Father in Law had a Tin full, of a mixture of coins, and 1 coin had me puzzled, It appears to be double headed, but very worn... I wondered if anyone could shed some light on it ?I scanned the coin but not sure if it is clear enough ... Quote
argentumandcoins Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Hi folks,Greetings from Bonnie Dundee I have spent a week reading the forums since I registered, and have been really impressed with the knowledge the members have shown on here ..Alas ! I am NOT a coin collector, and I have a wee query to ask the experts on here ...My Father in Law had a Tin full, of a mixture of coins, and 1 coin had me puzzled, It appears to be double headed, but very worn... I wondered if anyone could shed some light on it ?I scanned the coin but not sure if it is clear enough ...Hello Terror!It looks like 2 very worn Victorian silver coins (diameter will tell which denomination but probably sixpences) that will have been machined flat on the reverse (tails side) and joined together. If you check the rim you should see the join.There is no chance of it being a mint error as these 2 obverses are 1887 at the latest for the first and 1893 at the earliest for the second.The 2 portraits did appear together on an official 1897 diamond jubilee medal in silver, but this is clearly not one of those.John. Quote
Terror Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 Hi folks,Greetings from Bonnie Dundee I have spent a week reading the forums since I registered, and have been really impressed with the knowledge the members have shown on here ..Alas ! I am NOT a coin collector, and I have a wee query to ask the experts on here ...My Father in Law had a Tin full, of a mixture of coins, and 1 coin had me puzzled, It appears to be double headed, but very worn... I wondered if anyone could shed some light on it ?I scanned the coin but not sure if it is clear enough ...Hello Terror!It looks like 2 very worn Victorian silver coins (diameter will tell which denomination but probably sixpences) that will have been machined flat on the reverse (tails side) and joined together. If you check the rim you should see the join.There is no chance of it being a mint error as these 2 obverses are 1887 at the latest for the first and 1893 at the earliest for the second.The 2 portraits did appear together on an official 1897 diamond jubilee medal in silver, but this is clearly not one of those.John.Thanks John, I did a quick measurement, and it appears to be 25mm diameter by 1mm thick, and I cant see any join !!! Quote
SionGilbey Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 If it were a sixpence it would have been roughly 20mm. Quote
SionGilbey Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 If my memory serves me correctly, isn't the shilling 25mm? Quote
argentumandcoins Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Just had another look at the pics.... it is the silver medal (I think it was by Brock, but I may be wrong) Quote
SionGilbey Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Yes, I think you're right. I should have recognized it earlier having seen one this Thursday. Quote
Gary Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 If thats the jubilee medal in questiuon, how the hell did it get so worn? Quote
Peckris Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Just had another look at the pics.... it is the silver medal (I think it was by Brock, but I may be wrong)Yes, I think you're right. I should have recognized it earlier having seen one this Thursday.I have that very medal - in top condition of course. But, it's at least Crown sized not 25mm!! So though it looks like it, by the size, it can't be. And I'd echo the obvious question : how did it get so worn? Quote
SionGilbey Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 My theory is that it's a shilling with one side redone to look like a miniature version of the medal? Quote
azda Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Hi folks,Greetings from Bonnie Dundee I have spent a week reading the forums since I registered, and have been really impressed with the knowledge the members have shown on here ..Alas ! I am NOT a coin collector, and I have a wee query to ask the experts on here ...My Father in Law had a Tin full, of a mixture of coins, and 1 coin had me puzzled, It appears to be double headed, but very worn... I wondered if anyone could shed some light on it ?I scanned the coin but not sure if it is clear enough ...Now then Terror, em fae Dundee tae, but living in Munich Personally i think its the Jubilee Medal as John (argentumandcoins) said, just its worn to a disc. Quote
Terror Posted February 12, 2011 Author Posted February 12, 2011 Thanks for all the Interesting replys, I will just put it away as a curio !I have a few other coins with no denominations on them, should I ask about them on another thread someplace ?Hi Azda, em still stuck in Menzieshill Dundee and a proud Arab ! Hows life treating you in Munich ? Quote
argentumandcoins Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Just had another look at the pics.... it is the silver medal (I think it was by Brock, but I may be wrong)Yes, I think you're right. I should have recognized it earlier having seen one this Thursday.I have that very medal - in top condition of course. But, it's at least Crown sized not 25mm!! So though it looks like it, by the size, it can't be. And I'd echo the obvious question : how did it get so worn?They produced 2 different sizes Peck, the shilling size for peasants and the big boy for rich men, like yourself!Just checked up and it was indeed by T (Thomas?) Brock. Quote
azda Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Thanks for all the Interesting replys, I will just put it away as a curio !I have a few other coins with no denominations on them, should I ask about them on another thread someplace ?Hi Azda, em still stuck in Menzieshill Dundee and a proud Arab ! Hows life treating you in Munich ?Em an Arab tae, originally a whitfield boy but moved tae Lochee Quote
Peckris Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Just had another look at the pics.... it is the silver medal (I think it was by Brock, but I may be wrong)Yes, I think you're right. I should have recognized it earlier having seen one this Thursday.I have that very medal - in top condition of course. But, it's at least Crown sized not 25mm!! So though it looks like it, by the size, it can't be. And I'd echo the obvious question : how did it get so worn?They produced 2 different sizes Peck, the shilling size for peasants and the big boy for rich men, like yourself!Just checked up and it was indeed by T (Thomas?) Brock.Ah that explains it And might also explain the wear - perhaps someone in the late 19th/early 20th Century, a time when "a bob were reet proper money" decided to spend it and Mr Busy Shopkeeper never noticed it wasn't a proper shilling? Mebbe? Quote
Red Riley Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Ah that explains it And might also explain the wear - perhaps someone in the late 19th/early 20th Century, a time when "a bob were reet proper money" decided to spend it and Mr Busy Shopkeeper never noticed it wasn't a proper shilling? Mebbe?Usually unexpected wear like this is due to it having been kept in a purse or a pocket for an extended period of time with the rest of the loose change (and people used a lot more of it in those days). 10 years in those conditions doesn't do anything for the grade! Quote
Peckris Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Ah that explains it And might also explain the wear - perhaps someone in the late 19th/early 20th Century, a time when "a bob were reet proper money" decided to spend it and Mr Busy Shopkeeper never noticed it wasn't a proper shilling? Mebbe?Usually unexpected wear like this is due to it having been kept in a purse or a pocket for an extended period of time with the rest of the loose change (and people used a lot more of it in those days). 10 years in those conditions doesn't do anything for the grade!LOL true! Quote
scottishmoney Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 I do think someone got a lot of wear out of poor Mrs. Brown. Quote
SionGilbey Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 Thanks for all the Interesting replys, I will just put it away as a curio !I have a few other coins with no denominations on them, should I ask about them on another thread someplace ?Hi Azda, em still stuck in Menzieshill Dundee and a proud Arab ! Hows life treating you in Munich ?Em an Arab tae, originally a whitfield boy but moved tae Lochee I'm quarter Lebanese... does that count? Quote
Peckris Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 Thanks for all the Interesting replys, I will just put it away as a curio !I have a few other coins with no denominations on them, should I ask about them on another thread someplace ?Hi Azda, em still stuck in Menzieshill Dundee and a proud Arab ! Hows life treating you in Munich ?Em an Arab tae, originally a whitfield boy but moved tae Lochee I'm quarter Lebanese... does that count?Only if I can score some of it Quote
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