184* crowns

[bob.phillips]

I like to collect silver coins and one such area is the crowns of the early victoria reign. I have 1844 with star stops and 1845 with cinq stops. I find it extremely difficult to get 1844 cinq stops and 1845 star stops despite both star and cinq being similar values in the various coin value books. The ones I am seeking seem to be much rarer and much more expensive.

Is this the case or am I just not looking hard enough??

Bob P.

[argentumandcoins]

I like to collect silver coins and one such area is the crowns of the early victoria reign. I have 1844 with star stops and 1845 with cinq stops. I find it extremely difficult to get 1844 cinq stops and 1845 star stops despite both star and cinq being similar values in the various coin value books. The ones I am seeking seem to be much rarer and much more expensive.

Is this the case or am I just not looking hard enough??

Bob P.

Hi Bob,

You can forget the 1845 Star Stops as it doesn't exist, although you will see lots advertised they are always cinquefoils (even the one I bought in a lot of 4 from Spinks a couple of years ago that was advertised as 3 cinqs and 1 star!)

The 44 cinq is a little tricky but does turn up.

Regards,

John.

[bob.phillips]

John,

Thanks for the info. I was very surprised when you said the 1845* doesn't exist. As you say, it is sometimes advertised and it does appear in all the coin value books that I have.

Thanks again,

Bob P.

[declanwmagee]

You can forget the 1845 Star Stops as it doesn't exist, although you will see lots advertised they are always cinquefoils (even the one I bought in a lot of 4 from Spinks a couple of years ago that was advertised as 3 cinqs and 1 star!)

The 44 cinq is a little tricky but does turn up.

Regards,

John.

Is that a fact John? I only have one 1845 Crown, but I thought it was star stops, but then I've never seen a cinquefoil.

Anyone fancy doing some edge photos? I'll have a go in the daylight tomorrow...

[argentumandcoins]

Yes Declan, it's a fact. If you do have a star stops I'll give you a decent profit on it

My guess would be that the star was first employed and later replaced by the cinquefoil in 1844. The cinquefoil then retained for use in 1845.

It isn't listed in the English Silver Coins since 1816 book by Peter Davies, so he must have come to the same conclusion as me. I have examined hundreds and never seen one, although, as I said, I did buy one from Spinks with 3 45 cinqs

The cinquefoil stop looks like a star of David, hence the confusion. The star stop is best described as being an asterisk.

Hope that helps.

[azda]

I believe the difference between the cinq and star is the number of points, 4/5 for star and 8 for cinq, correct me if i'm wrong

[Colin G.]

Best method for edge pics is to use the reflector inside a torch works a treat

See an example

Edited December 8, 2010 by Colin G.

[Colin G.]

I believe the difference between the cinq and star is the number of points, 4/5 for star and 8 for cinq, correct me if i'm wrong

On other denominations a "cinqefoil" indicates 5 as in french for 5 "cinq". I believe cinquefoil means five petals/leafs?

Hence quatrefoil for four, and trefoil for 3

Edited December 8, 2010 by Colin G.

[davidrj]

Best method for edge pics is to use the reflector inside a torch works a treat

See an example

Neat! I must try that

[Marc]

Yes Declan, it's a fact. If you do have a star stops I'll give you a decent profit on it

My guess would be that the star was first employed and later replaced by the cinquefoil in 1844. The cinquefoil then retained for use in 1845.

It isn't listed in the English Silver Coins since 1816 book by Peter Davies, so he must have come to the same conclusion as me. I have examined hundreds and never seen one, although, as I said, I did buy one from Spinks with 3 45 cinqs

The cinquefoil stop looks like a star of David, hence the confusion. The star stop is best described as being an asterisk.

Hope that helps.

See, this is why I come here - always learning! I've now relabled both my 1844 and 1845.

Thanks for the info.

[Red Riley]

Best method for edge pics is to use the reflector inside a torch works a treat

See an example

I want to know what 'NEMATUT' means.

[Gary D]

Best method for edge pics is to use the reflector inside a torch works a treat

See an example

I want to know what 'NEMATUT' means.

Something like 'draugefas'

[Colin G.]

Best method for edge pics is to use the reflector inside a torch works a treat

See an example

I want to know what 'NEMATUT' means.

Oops upside down

[Peckris]

Best method for edge pics is to use the reflector inside a torch works a treat

See an example

I want to know what 'NEMATUT' means.

Pharoah of Egypt, around 700BC.

[declanwmagee]

Is that a fact John? I only have one 1845 Crown, but I thought it was star stops, but then I've never seen a cinquefoil.

Anyone fancy doing some edge photos? I'll have a go in the daylight tomorrow...

here's mine...

definitely not a star of David...

[argentumandcoins]

Is that a fact John? I only have one 1845 Crown, but I thought it was star stops, but then I've never seen a cinquefoil.

Anyone fancy doing some edge photos? I'll have a go in the daylight tomorrow...

here's mine...

definitely not a star of David...

A really lovely cinquefoil Declan!

[argentumandcoins]

Forgot to say,... the new camera works okay. You couldn't have done that with your scanner!

[declanwmagee]

Forgot to say,... the new camera works okay. You couldn't have done that with your scanner!

Yes - the camera is great: same one as yours but the camera is the easy bit: now I am playing with lighting, white balance, exposure, ISO and all that. Just changing one variable at a time for now to see what each one does. Already I can tell which were my early shots though. Bit short of genuine daylight where we are - in a bus under a railway viaduct in a deep valley. So I've bought a selection of different bulbs to try...that edge shot was with an angle poise over my shoulder and a headtorch on!

[azda]

Forgot to say,... the new camera works okay. You couldn't have done that with your scanner!

Although, better pictures can be had in natural light. I try and take most of my pictures outside, without looking like a coin geek

[Peckris]

Forgot to say,... the new camera works okay. You couldn't have done that with your scanner!

Yes - the camera is great: same one as yours but the camera is the easy bit: now I am playing with lighting, white balance, exposure, ISO and all that. Just changing one variable at a time for now to see what each one does. Already I can tell which were my early shots though. Bit short of genuine daylight where we are - in a bus under a railway viaduct in a deep valley. So I've bought a selection of different bulbs to try...that edge shot was with an angle poise over my shoulder and a headtorch on!

Good shot, but artificial light makes it way too red (easily cured with image processing software).

[argentumandcoins]

Forgot to say,... the new camera works okay. You couldn't have done that with your scanner!

Yes - the camera is great: same one as yours but the camera is the easy bit: now I am playing with lighting, white balance, exposure, ISO and all that. Just changing one variable at a time for now to see what each one does. Already I can tell which were my early shots though. Bit short of genuine daylight where we are - in a bus under a railway viaduct in a deep valley. So I've bought a selection of different bulbs to try...that edge shot was with an angle poise over my shoulder and a headtorch on!

I could have done with your headtorch this week. we have sparkies in for 1 1/2 weeks on a rewire and we had a night of no power upstairs. Doors open and shut all week, no point in putting heating on due to doors open and monkeys outside looking for brass spherical objects,,, ferkin Baltic man!

anyway, back to post.... at a push, and I mean a push, halogen lights are okay if you need to take pictures when the light is bad. I know it can't be easy for you as the farmhouse we live in is nearly as bad as your abode for light. This house must have been built by vampires (every window is positioned to allow as little light as possible into the house!

Azda is right (I hate to admit), not about the geek bit though, the only good light is natural light.

[davidrj]

anyway, back to post.... at a push, and I mean a push, halogen lights are okay if you need to take pictures when the light is bad. I know it can't be easy for you as the farmhouse we live in is nearly as bad as your abode for light. This house must have been built by vampires (every window is positioned to allow as little light as possible into the house!

Azda is right (I hate to admit), not about the geek bit though, the only good light is natural light.

I'm the same, the only windows in my house face due east and due west.

I'm getting reasonable results from my scanner, great for variety checking but my images are definitely flat .

Roll on Summer, for good light,

Now I've virtually retired I can give my copystand a try out with the digital camera

David

[declanwmagee]

ooh it's so difficult! Compare and contrast these two. Same coin, photo with a 6400K daylight bulb to try and replicate the real thing, and then there's the scan. I know which one I'd buy if I was shopping.

My current thing is trying to strike the balance between overexposing and getting rid of dark patches.

Neither capture that lovely crispness you can see with the eye. Some people's photos can get it though - check out some of juliesutton's.

[argentumandcoins]

I try to light the general area rather than the object itself. It tends not to reflect off the surface as much that way. I'm no photographer though!

[ski]

my first post here as a coin collector and im replying to a post about my job, photography.

theres been a few good pointers here on taking pics, it is important to not overdo the lighting and blow all the details, often less is more. the last example clearly shows this.

With different lighting methods and bulb types, different colour casts are given to images, when shooting jpeg,selecting a white balance setting will get a close approximation of the colour temperature range.......but to really nail it, shoot raw, this gives a greater adjustment to white balance and colour casts are easily removed......the downside, a little more processing, if your selling maybe worth the effort.

have a look at the attachments......regular coins for sure, but reasonable pics.

steve......... www.soccersnaps.org