A VERY strange looking medal

[£400 for a Penny ?]

And let's never forget, if it wasn't for the treatment of Germany by the Allies after Versailles, the Second World War probably wouldn't have happened.

Yes, that and the fact Germany never really 'lost' WWI in the conventional sense, we just managed to persuade them that they had. We tried to do the same to the Boers 15 years earlier - "right, we've captured Pretoria, that's it we've won, it's the end of the game. " They weren't having it though.

Since we are now wildly off topic, might as well mention the Lusitania again, spent some time reading about it last night. It seems that in the 1950's, according to the local Irish fishermen, the Royal Navy spent two weeks blowing the bejesus out of the wreck with depth charges, prompting specualtion that they were trying to destroy evidence of something or other.

What I guess we'll never find out, but one rumour that has grown legs, is that the Lusitania was carrying something it shouldn't have been under a neutral flag and that the high profile Americans on board were being used as a human shield. It is also alleged that the Germans knew about it and their embassy in New York posted an advert in the paper warning not to travel.

Also interesting is that the wreck has been in American ownership since, it was bought for £1,000 in the early 60's.

[davidrj]

shame belgian coins are boring

french medals are the best imo.

but yea show em, i have nazi oins, what differance does it make really.

Have to agree, 19th C French bronze medals are superb

[Hussulo]

Goetz's medals are quite collectable. There's a member of another forum that has quite a collection (even bought Goetz's personnel cabinet etc,) and most can be seen at this website:

http://www.karlgoetz.com/

[Peckris]

And let's never forget, if it wasn't for the treatment of Germany by the Allies after Versailles, the Second World War probably wouldn't have happened.

Yes, that and the fact Germany never really 'lost' WWI in the conventional sense, we just managed to persuade them that they had. We tried to do the same to the Boers 15 years earlier - "right, we've captured Pretoria, that's it we've won, it's the end of the game. " They weren't having it though.

Since we are now wildly off topic, might as well mention the Lusitania again, spent some time reading about it last night. It seems that in the 1950's, according to the local Irish fishermen, the Royal Navy spent two weeks blowing the bejesus out of the wreck with depth charges, prompting specualtion that they were trying to destroy evidence of something or other.

What I guess we'll never find out, but one rumour that has grown legs, is that the Lusitania was carrying something it shouldn't have been under a neutral flag and that the high profile Americans on board were being used as a human shield. It is also alleged that the Germans knew about it and their embassy in New York posted an advert in the paper warning not to travel.

Also interesting is that the wreck has been in American ownership since, it was bought for £1,000 in the early 60's.

The problem is, there are so many conspiracy theories (a man smoking a cigarette on a grassy knoll somewhere near Roswell, confirms that man never landed on the moon, and that the US Administration was behind 9/11 ...) that good ones that come along tend to get ignored. The best I've heard in a long time, is the chain of events that led to al-Magrahi being convicted of the Lockerbie bombing - that one is chilling. (He was almost certainly a scapegoat, which is why he got cheered on his return to Libya).

[scott]

if it was carrying anything it would possibly have been miliary secrets, it happend in WW2 to try and entice the americans into WW2

and tbh, the state of the german economy in 1918 was a mess.

and as for WW1 itself, i find it a great area of collection, lots of notsgeld, tokens from prison camps etc.

[azda]

On the subject of medals, here's a nice old piece i found. 1641 Charles I.......72mm and 94.28g

Edited October 9, 2010 by azda

[Peckris]

On the subject of medals, here's a nice old piece i found. 1641 Charles I.......72mm and 94.28g

Very handsome. Victorian, would you say?

[azda]

On the subject of medals, here's a nice old piece i found. 1641 Charles I.......72mm and 94.28g

Very handsome. Victorian, would you say?

I don't think so Peck as it would have been called a Nachprägung in German which it wasn't, so i'm assuming an original.

[Peckris]

On the subject of medals, here's a nice old piece i found. 1641 Charles I.......72mm and 94.28g

Very handsome. Victorian, would you say?

I don't think so Peck as it would have been called a Nachprägung in German which it wasn't, so i'm assuming an original.

Oops. I don't think so. Ask the opinion of others here, but I think you'll find that is a machine minted medal, technology that was unknown at the time of Charles I. And everything about it shrieks "19th Century" (to me at least).

My educated guess is 19th Century, though no less handsome for all that.

[£400 for a Penny ?]

There was machine minting technology around at the time of Charles 1, as we know it mainly came from France, but I've never seen anything from that period to suggest they would have been capable of knocking something as complex as that up.

[Red Riley]

Oops. I don't think so. Ask the opinion of others here, but I think you'll find that is a machine minted medal, technology that was unknown at the time of Charles I. And everything about it shrieks "19th Century" (to me at least).

My educated guess is 19th Century, though no less handsome for all that.

I would agree with you. Something to do with the postures adopted by the figures. The Victorians had a thing about Charles I. Me? Give me Oliver Cromwell any day.

[Rob]

I would agree with you. Something to do with the postures adopted by the figures. The Victorians had a thing about Charles I. Me? Give me Oliver Cromwell any day.

Be careful what you ask for. The Cerne Abbas Giant is rumoured to have connections to Oliver Cromwell according to the blurb at the viewing point. Looking at it, it is easy to see why this country opted for the restoration of the monarchy.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Rob

[Red Riley]

[be careful what you ask for. The Cerne Abbas Giant is rumoured to have connections to Oliver Cromwell according to the blurb at the viewing point. Looking at it, it is easy to see why this country opted for the restoration of the monarchy.

Something to do with outraging the puritans as I recall. In common with most men, the only feeling I get when looking at the Cerne Abbas Giant is envy.

[Peckris]

There was machine minting technology around at the time of Charles 1, as we know it mainly came from France, but I've never seen anything from that period to suggest they would have been capable of knocking something as complex as that up.

I should have been more specific - I meant mechanised, i.e. post-Boulton & Watt. If you look at all milled coins prior to then, there's a certain crudeness to their production technique, though the designs are often very beautiful indeed. For one thing, you rarely see a milled edge, they are usually not perfectly circular, the design is slightly off centre, etc. Yet if you look at that medal, it is machine perfect, and only a mechanised plant could achieve that.

[be careful what you ask for. The Cerne Abbas Giant is rumoured to have connections to Oliver Cromwell according to the blurb at the viewing point. Looking at it, it is easy to see why this country opted for the restoration of the monarchy.

Something to do with outraging the puritans as I recall. In common with most men, the only feeling I get when looking at the Cerne Abbas Giant is envy.

Really? :lol: