Half Penny 1853 over 1852?

[palves]

Hi there,

I am new member. I lived in the UK for 6 years but now I am living in Portugal.

I collect mostly Portuguese coins, but I have a "thing" for victorian coins.

I need you help checking this new addition to my collection. Is it a 1853 or a 1853 over 1852?

There seems to be some traces of work done around the date and the 3 looks a bit funny to me.

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Opinions?

Thanks in advance.

PA

[Red Riley]

I can't see any evidence from the photograph, but that might just be that it isn't detailed enough. Really needs to be looked at in a strong light and moved around to highlight anything going on under the 3. These overdates can sometimes be very difficult to see.

[RLC35]

PA

That looks like a pretty nice coin, and if it is an overdate, you should be able to see the diagonal of the 2 showing thru the 3. It might take a close up pic of the 3 to verify it though. I can't tell from the degree of magnification shown.

[palves]

Thanks,

Some more pics...

With a magnifying glass the lower part of the 3 is "fatter" which might be the remaing bits of the "2" and the boarder of the coin seems to be damaged, as if some tool was working on the area. but it might just be me...

[azda]

Looks a normal 1853 to me

[1949threepence]

I think overstrikes can be very difficult to see in some cases. The coin posted by palves may be one of them.

Often when I see a coin touted as an overstrike, I think "Is it ? I'll have to take your word on that one"

[Chingford]

I think overstrikes can be very difficult to see in some cases. The coin posted by palves may be one of them.

Often when I see a coin touted as an overstrike, I think "Is it ? I'll have to take your word on that one"

The 3/2 overdate is very obvious, downward loop of the upper part of the three alomost joins with the central protrusion, the diagonal is faint protruding as a point at the base of the lower loop.

Cant seem to attach the image, but will try again tomorrow

John

[1949threepence]

I think overstrikes can be very difficult to see in some cases. The coin posted by palves may be one of them.

Often when I see a coin touted as an overstrike, I think "Is it ? I'll have to take your word on that one"

The 3/2 overdate is very obvious, downward loop of the upper part of the three alomost joins with the central protrusion, the diagonal is faint protruding as a point at the base of the lower loop.

Cant seem to attach the image, but will try again tomorrow

John

Thanks John ~ now that you've pointed that out, it is obvious. The art of recognising overstrikes, it seems to me, is knowing exactly what to look for in order to distinguish from the others.

[Chingford]

I think overstrikes can be very difficult to see in some cases. The coin posted by palves may be one of them.

Often when I see a coin touted as an overstrike, I think "Is it ? I'll have to take your word on that one"

The 3/2 overdate is very obvious, downward loop of the upper part of the three alomost joins with the central protrusion, the diagonal is faint protruding as a point at the base of the lower loop.

Cant seem to attach the image, but will try again tomorrow

John

Thanks John ~ now that you've pointed that out, it is obvious. The art of recognising overstrikes, it seems to me, is knowing exactly what to look for in order to distinguish from the others.

I have attached a closeup of a 53/2

[Peckris]

I think overstrikes can be very difficult to see in some cases. The coin posted by palves may be one of them.

Often when I see a coin touted as an overstrike, I think "Is it ? I'll have to take your word on that one"

The 3/2 overdate is very obvious, downward loop of the upper part of the three alomost joins with the central protrusion, the diagonal is faint protruding as a point at the base of the lower loop.

Cant seem to attach the image, but will try again tomorrow

John

Thanks John ~ now that you've pointed that out, it is obvious. The art of recognising overstrikes, it seems to me, is knowing exactly what to look for in order to distinguish from the others.

I have attached a closeup of a 53/2

Classic example of overdates being difficult to see! That looks like a normal 1853 to my eye.

[1949threepence]

I think overstrikes can be very difficult to see in some cases. The coin posted by palves may be one of them.

Often when I see a coin touted as an overstrike, I think "Is it ? I'll have to take your word on that one"

The 3/2 overdate is very obvious, downward loop of the upper part of the three alomost joins with the central protrusion, the diagonal is faint protruding as a point at the base of the lower loop.

Cant seem to attach the image, but will try again tomorrow

John

Thanks John ~ now that you've pointed that out, it is obvious. The art of recognising overstrikes, it seems to me, is knowing exactly what to look for in order to distinguish from the others.

I have attached a closeup of a 53/2

Classic example of overdates being difficult to see! That looks like a normal 1853 to my eye.

We could do with a book (or section of a book) devoted to all the known overstrikes, with close up comparison pics between the overstruck date, and what to look for, together with a non overstruck date for the same year.

Thanks for the extra scans anyway, John. Difficult area, IMO.

[Chingford]

Classic example of overdates being difficult to see! That looks like a normal 1853 to my eye.

[Peckris]

Classic example of overdates being difficult to see! That looks like a normal 1853 to my eye.

I have a clearer lighter image that shows the loop, diagonal and point I described earlier.

[TomGoodheart]

Does this date look a bit odd?

And more importantly, how much is it worth ?

[TomGoodheart]

Does this date look a bit odd?

And more importantly, how much is it worth ?

And, no. I was just browsing and saw it, thought it looked pretty and that someone here might be interested if the price was right, which is why I asked about how much. I know you guys get all excited about halfpennies and such. The asking price is a bit over £36

The reverse:

Edited May 5, 2012 by TomGoodheart

[TomGoodheart]

Sometimes you base metal guys are so difficult to entertain ....

[azda]

Definately a nice looking coin Richard and for £35 its a decent price to in my opinion. Not sure its 3/2 though, but the middle line of the 3 does look odd.

Can you PM me the web address please

[azda]

Took a small gamble, it's a nice coin even if it does'nt turn out to be the 53/2