A possible heads up on Chinese Takeaway

[Peckris]

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Edited May 10, 2010 by Peckris

[RLC35]

I think the "Crack" in the R is pretty common with the 1905 Half Crown. It is a character that is beginning to deteriorate from a worn die. I have seen many that way, and I have owned a few with that condition, including one purchased from Michael Gouby, who is a reputable dealer. This is not to say that a fake coin does not have the same condition, in an effort to look genuine.

[Red Riley]

I think the "Crack" in the R is pretty common with the 1905 Half Crown. It is a character that is beginning to deteriorate from a worn die. I have seen many that way, and I have owned a few with that condition, including one purchased from Michael Gouby, who is a reputable dealer. This is not to say that a fake coin does not have the same condition, in an effort to look genuine.

I think I agree with you Bob. The eBay coin and that posted by Gary are different grades. As the Chinese forgeries are usually produced using a genuine coin essentially as a master hub (a positive die), all will be identical and therefore the same grade. By the same token, dies made at the mint last for what, 100,000-150,000 coins. The issue of half crowns in 1905 (normal 'health warnings' re annual mintage figures apply!) was 166,000. It is therefore highly likely that a very high proportion of those dated 1905 had this particular flaw.

I know the forgers can be good, but if the coins for sale on eBay were indeed forgeries, their producers would have to be very, very good indeed.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Red Riley

[Farmer Palmer]

I know the forgers can be good, but if the coins for sale on eBay were indeed forgeries, their producers would have to be very, very good indeed.

Theres absolutely no question of how good these people are.Its well known they are good enough to have fooled PCGS on more than one occasion and Chinese fakes have been authenticated and slabbed.

Its also known the Chinese are making their own PCGS slabs and hologram labels too.Buying an authenticated slabbed coin doesnt ensure anything anymore.

[Red Riley]

Theres absolutely no question of how good these people are.Its well known they are good enough to have fooled PCGS on more than one occasion and Chinese fakes have been authenticated and slabbed.

Its also known the Chinese are making their own PCGS slabs and hologram labels too.Buying an authenticated slabbed coin doesnt ensure anything anymore.

Do you not get my point though, that in this particular instance we cannot rely on the die flaw to indicate a forgery.

[Farmer Palmer]

Theres absolutely no question of how good these people are.Its well known they are good enough to have fooled PCGS on more than one occasion and Chinese fakes have been authenticated and slabbed.

Its also known the Chinese are making their own PCGS slabs and hologram labels too.Buying an authenticated slabbed coin doesnt ensure anything anymore.

Do you not get my point though, that in this particular instance we cannot rely on the die flaw to indicate a forgery.

The point you made has been long established,nothing new.Did i not point out i suspected it could be a die flaw produced by the Royal mint itself ?

I fail to see why im quoted when im entirely off on another tangent concerning PCGS.

[Gary D]

Theres absolutely no question of how good these people are.Its well known they are good enough to have fooled PCGS on more than one occasion and Chinese fakes have been authenticated and slabbed.

Its also known the Chinese are making their own PCGS slabs and hologram labels too.Buying an authenticated slabbed coin doesnt ensure anything anymore.

Do you not get my point though, that in this particular instance we cannot rely on the die flaw to indicate a forgery.

The point you made has been long established,nothing new.Did i not point out i suspected it could be a die flaw produced by the Royal mint itself ?

I fail to see why im quoted when im entirely off on another tangent concerning PCGS.

Red makes a valid point. I was just giving my observations. By the way the 1905 forgeries assuming there are no recent one's comming out of china came out of the middle east probably Turkey sometime ago, likely in the 1970-80s. There is a website devoted to forgeries which gave all the indicators to identify the 1905 forgeries. I saw the information a couple of years ago then subsiquently could no longer find it. My harddrive died a couple of months ago and I lost the link to the site. I have since been searching for it but without any luck.

Gary