What grade and price would you give

[azda]

Just wondering what grade you'd say this was and what price you'd pay, it has a scratch on the reverse

[azda]

Forgot to mention, the coin has an R3 rating by the guy wanting to sell it to me, he's also a dealer so i assume he knows what he's talking about

[Red Riley]

Forgot to mention, the coin has an R3 rating by the guy wanting to sell it to me, he's also a dealer so i assume he knows what he's talking about

Impossible to be absolutely certain from a photograph, but I would go with something like NEF. Unfortunately Santa's sleigh broke down and I don't have the latest price list. How much does the dealer want for it?

[azda]

400 bux, but maybe because it has this R3 against it?

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Fools rush in, where Angels fear to tread..

I'll have a go.

VF+ but with problem (as noted).

Attractively toned on the Obverse.

R3 ? What, like a Freeman R3, i.e. Common as muck is C20, moving to C10,9,8.... and then R1,2,3.......R20 believed to be unique ?

Marsh has his rarity scale for sovereigns, etc, etc

Who's R3 are we talking about ?

Remember that you are a bull in a field and there is a man waving a red rag at you, trying to entice you to charge.

What happens to 98% of all bulls that charge ?

[azda]

The reason i asked the question, i won't pay what he's asking, i always offer less than what is on offered, i was just curious what others thought, no red rag here, just a sensible collector

[Rob]

R3 ? What, like a Freeman R3, i.e. Common as muck is C20, moving to C10,9,8.... and then R1,2,3.......R20 believed to be unique ?

Marsh has his rarity scale for sovereigns, etc, etc

Who's R3 are we talking about ?

ESC R3 which essentially means extremely rare, but more than 20 known (because R4 is 11-20 known). I don't think it is extremely rare, but is still worth a premium.

As for 400BUX, what BUX are we talking about? If US$, then that is a bit cheap. The reverse looks better than the obverse. I would put it at about £300-£350 given the reverse marks and the obvious wear to the obverse, but the price is getting into that problem area where you are spending a reasonable amount of money for a less than pristine coin that is not impossible to obtain in better condition for a bit more money. If you could get a goodEF or mint state example for say £750-1500, then you wouldn't want to spend £300-400 on an obviously sub-standard piece. Just my opinion.

[azda]

Sorry, we were talking euros

[azda]

Ok i have also seen an 1817 George III halfcrown S/I IN PENCE, which is the better?

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Pulls down ESc from the shelves...

So this is 220A....R3...20 of date altered from 19 ?

Confirm ?

[azda]

Its an 1820/19 and from a dealer

[azda]

Its an 1820/19 and from a dealer

[azda]

Sorry, my last reply didn't work, its an R3 according to the dealer

[Rob]

Ok i have also seen an 1817 George III halfcrown S/I IN PENCE, which is the better?

It depends entirely on what you want. There is no such thing as a compulsory list of "must haves".

[azda]

Exactly, this is a nice coin, i was asking what people thought of it, does it merit a strong bid from me, or should i leave it, its 400 euros, then it states its an R3, general question through the picture

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Hmm,

I'm just going to go off on a walk on my own here, no need for anyone to come with me....

Having collected Roman gold for a while, there is a big issue with bespoke forgeries from eastern europe. It's interesting that you ask a question about a correction, an overdate from a common coin.

Are you fishing perhaps ?

See if there's any excitment amongst collectors ?

Joined today 01/07/10

What about htis one, what about this halfcrown.......

If I'm wrong, I prostrate myself, but......

[Peckris]

First of all, I'd like to say that this is a handsome coin - slightly scuffed on rear (doesn't look deep enough to warrant "scratch"). Very attractively toned. If it was one of the more common crowns of this series, you could pay between £150 - £200 easily, and if you're a type collector I would wait for one of those.

But if you're in the market for rarities, and if this is 20/19 (doesn't look evident from the photo, but then I've never seen one anyway), then your 400 euros is a bargain really. CCGB lists it as £350 in VF and this one seems very close to EF.

[Rob]

But if you're in the market for rarities, and if this is 20/19 (doesn't look evident from the photo, but then I've never seen one anyway), then your 400 euros is a bargain really. CCGB lists it as £350 in VF and this one seems very close to EF.

There are at least two dies with this overdate. One has a comparatively clear 2/1 and the other a well defined loop of the 9 directly aligned under the 0 with the bottom of the loop in the centre, but only a whisper of the 1.

The pricing really boils down to whether you want a type example, in which case you can get a virtually unc example of a common variety for the same price as this, or whether you are looking to get the series, in which case you are probably going to collect them in the highest grade you can find. This is why I think it more likely that you would hold out for a better one. As crowns go, this is quite a cheap series, but the denomination as a whole is not and so the typical collector of crowns has relatively deep pockets.

[Peter]

Love it

I meddle with low priced currency coins...until Mrs Peter found out I had spent nearly £1000 on three 1/4ds

VIVA raw coins

[Rob]

Love it

I meddle with low priced currency coins...until Mrs Peter found out I had spent nearly £1000 on three 1/4ds

VIVA raw coins

At just over £300 each, they were low priced currency coins. Be positive, tell her you could have spent considerably more on Edward VI, Richard III and Henry VIII currency farthings. Clearly yours were a bargain.

Edited January 8, 2010 by Rob

[Peter]

She bought me the Malt but I wasn't hammered

Tin farthings.....now there is a reason for her to get shirty....a crap one...ohhh those edges

Edited January 8, 2010 by Peter

[azda]

400 for a penny, i suggest you gently massage your prostate, i'm not fishing, i'm a genuine collector, but also a novice, obviously according to you, no one can ask a genuine question without getting hammered.

I was asking the question because there is around 50 coins i'd love to buy, but only 1 or 2 i could afford, being unemployed doesn't help the average collector, also my apologies for joining so late, i will in future remember to join when am told to so as not to be ridiculed or frowned upon by synics like you.

[azda]

Thank you to everyone else who did reply without criticism of me being a new member, i think i shall try and buy the coin, but obviously at a lower price than he's asking, maybe start at 300€ and see what he says lol

[Peckris]

Thank you to everyone else who did reply without criticism of me being a new member, i think i shall try and buy the coin, but obviously at a lower price than he's asking, maybe start at 300€ and see what he says lol

Good luck! Tell us what happens

[azda]

Ok, emailed the dealer and he said he'd take €360, i don't really want to pay more than €300 for it, any suggestions to try and work him down a bit without disrespecting the coin to much lol?