Bronze & Copper Collector Posted December 8, 2008 Posted December 8, 2008 I recently acquired what is possibly the 5th known specimen of a Half-Penny variety, unlisted in Freeman but acknowledged by Dracott in his Half-Penny study.... An 1873 obverse 8 paired with reverse C#.What I later discovered amongst some coins that I already had, but passed over because it was not an obverse 8, was another 1873 Half-Penny with reverse C#, but paired with Obverse 7... UNKNOWN & UNLISTED till now..... See attached scans...... Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted December 8, 2008 Author Posted December 8, 2008 This is the 1873 Obverse 8 with Reverse C# Quote
Martinminerva Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 I am afraid I am showing my ignorance here, but how does your Reverse C# differ from Freeman's Reverse G? Can you give me any specific pointers for me to be able to use your two detailed scans to differentiate them from what I believe I have in my collection which is the common Reverse G?Thanks.I recently acquired what is possibly the 5th known specimen of a Half-Penny variety, unlisted in Freeman but acknowledged by Dracott in his Half-Penny study.... An 1873 obverse 8 paired with reverse C#.What I later discovered amongst some coins that I already had, but passed over because it was not an obverse 8, was another 1873 Half-Penny with reverse C#, but paired with Obverse 7... UNKNOWN & UNLISTED till now..... See attached scans...... Quote
Martinminerva Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I have since tracked down and obtained the Dracott articles and can now spot reverse C# with ease! (narrower lighthouse, P and E of PENNY in particular closer to the linear circle etc.) I have also recently obtained a specimen of the pairing 7+C#, which makes two of them known now, and it is in pretty decent condition - pictures attached. I also know of 4 more examples of the 8+C# pairing, which brings their total to at least 9. Do both pairings now warrant some sort of official recording somewhere? I wonder how many more specimens of either pairing are out and about, but as yet unidentfied?I am afraid I am showing my ignorance here, but how does your Reverse C# differ from Freeman's Reverse G? Can you give me any specific pointers for me to be able to use your two detailed scans to differentiate them from what I believe I have in my collection which is the common Reverse G?Thanks.I recently acquired what is possibly the 5th known specimen of a Half-Penny variety, unlisted in Freeman but acknowledged by Dracott in his Half-Penny study.... An 1873 obverse 8 paired with reverse C#.What I later discovered amongst some coins that I already had, but passed over because it was not an obverse 8, was another 1873 Half-Penny with reverse C#, but paired with Obverse 7... UNKNOWN & UNLISTED till now..... See attached scans...... Quote
davidrj Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I have since tracked down and obtained the Dracott articles ?? Dracott, not heard of this reference beforeDavid Quote
azda Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I have since tracked down and obtained the Dracott articles and can now spot reverse C# with ease! (narrower lighthouse, P and E of PENNY in particular closer to the linear circle etc.) I have also recently obtained a specimen of the pairing 7+C#, which makes two of them known now, and it is in pretty decent condition - pictures attached. I also know of 4 more examples of the 8+C# pairing, which brings their total to at least 9. Do both pairings now warrant some sort of official recording somewhere? I wonder how many more specimens of either pairing are out and about, but as yet unidentfied?I am afraid I am showing my ignorance here, but how does your Reverse C# differ from Freeman's Reverse G? Can you give me any specific pointers for me to be able to use your two detailed scans to differentiate them from what I believe I have in my collection which is the common Reverse G?Thanks.I recently acquired what is possibly the 5th known specimen of a Half-Penny variety, unlisted in Freeman but acknowledged by Dracott in his Half-Penny study.... An 1873 obverse 8 paired with reverse C#.What I later discovered amongst some coins that I already had, but passed over because it was not an obverse 8, was another 1873 Half-Penny with reverse C#, but paired with Obverse 7... UNKNOWN & UNLISTED till now..... See attached scans......Getting quite common now lol.....Your example has some old cleaning MartinP, or do we call you Mr Platt? Quote
Martinminerva Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I have since tracked down and obtained the Dracott articles ?? Dracott, not heard of this reference beforeDavidCoin News, April, May and July 2004. Quite interesting and detailed study!Cheers. Quote
Martinminerva Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I have since tracked down and obtained the Dracott articles and can now spot reverse C# with ease! (narrower lighthouse, P and E of PENNY in particular closer to the linear circle etc.) I have also recently obtained a specimen of the pairing 7+C#, which makes two of them known now, and it is in pretty decent condition - pictures attached. I also know of 4 more examples of the 8+C# pairing, which brings their total to at least 9. Do both pairings now warrant some sort of official recording somewhere? I wonder how many more specimens of either pairing are out and about, but as yet unidentfied?I am afraid I am showing my ignorance here, but how does your Reverse C# differ from Freeman's Reverse G? Can you give me any specific pointers for me to be able to use your two detailed scans to differentiate them from what I believe I have in my collection which is the common Reverse G?Thanks.I recently acquired what is possibly the 5th known specimen of a Half-Penny variety, unlisted in Freeman but acknowledged by Dracott in his Half-Penny study.... An 1873 obverse 8 paired with reverse C#.What I later discovered amongst some coins that I already had, but passed over because it was not an obverse 8, was another 1873 Half-Penny with reverse C#, but paired with Obverse 7... UNKNOWN & UNLISTED till now..... See attached scans......Getting quite common now lol.....Your example has some old cleaning MartinP, or do we call you Mr Platt?Not convinced it does, actually - in the hand it seems more like just genuine circulation wear and thus rubbing to the high spots.I don't understand the Platt reference at all, I'm afraid... Who's that?? Ain't me! Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 16, 2021 Posted July 16, 2021 I have just listed on eBay a pretty grotty but identifiable example of this 1873 8+C# die pairing halfpenny if anyone wants to fill a gap... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284372897001 Wonder exactly how many are now known? Still think it's pretty rare though! cheers! Quote
Mr T Posted July 16, 2021 Posted July 16, 2021 Yep looks like it - the parallel lighthouse sides are there. Couldn't quite make out the obverse but it's still a rare reverse. 1 Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 On 1 September 2011 at 9:09 PM, Martinminerva said: The one I have listed on eBay is definitely obverse 8. Compare it with my (much better!) obverse 7 one above... Especially the position of the top leaves in relation to the colon after G of D:G: and the bottom of the truncation - obverse 7 above has truncation right up to linear circle, whereas obverse 8 on the eBay specimen has a distinct gap between bust and linear circle. Quote
Mr T Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 On 12/8/2008 at 1:18 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said: I recently acquired what is possibly the 5th known specimen of a Half-Penny variety, unlisted in Freeman but acknowledged by Dracott in his Half-Penny study.... An 1873 obverse 8 paired with reverse C#. What I later discovered amongst some coins that I already had, but passed over because it was not an obverse 8, was another 1873 Half-Penny with reverse C#, but paired with Obverse 7... UNKNOWN & UNLISTED till now..... See attached scans...... @Bronze & Copper Collector do you have those images handy? I hadn't heard of this until now. And just confirming that the C# can be spotted by a flat shield rim while the other reverses used in 1873 all have recessed shield rims? Quote
Peckris 2 Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, secret santa said: I can't get at those scans...... Me neither - they're just lines of text ending .jpg Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 Probably because the original post is 13 years old now!! I remember seeing on the forum a while ago that Bernie had found a lustrous A.Unc specimen of the 8+C# and posted pictures of that, but in another thread that I haven't been able to track down yet, but I'll keep looking... Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 Found it! http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/3664-coin-aquisition-of-the-week/?page=502&tab=comments#comment-141727 And here's a screenshot of it : 4 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted July 17, 2021 Author Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) For some reason I am unable to upload the images.... I'll keep trying... Edited July 17, 2021 by Bronze & Copper Collector 1 Quote
Mr T Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 I found that post: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/3664-coin-aquisition-of-the-week/?page=502&tab=comments#comment-141727 Looking at it, the rim is slightly recessed - is that not a reliable indicator for reverse C#? Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Mr T said: Looking at it, the rim is slightly recessed - is that not a reliable indicator for reverse C#? The shield rim IS indeed slightly recessed, like the original 1860 rev C that it appears to be based on. As specimens wear of course, that becomes a flatter part of the coin, so not a reliable definer. Much better is the lighthouse itself, plus the fact that the PE of PENNY are much closer to the linear circle than on the normal 1873 reverse. 1 Quote
secret santa Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 I'm posting the following images for Gary: Obv 7 Rev C# 1 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted July 18, 2021 Author Posted July 18, 2021 Thank you Richard...... 1 Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 On 16 July 2021 at 12:30 PM, Martinminerva said: I have just listed on eBay a pretty grotty but identifiable example of this 1873 8+C# die pairing halfpenny if anyone wants to fill a gap... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284372897001 Wonder exactly how many are now known? Still think it's pretty rare though! cheers! Obviously not a lot of halfpenny collectors out there... ! I know it's crappy, but how many of this type do exist?? Quote
Mr T Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 How long ago was the C# reverse discovered? It was mentioned in 2004 but possibly discovered before then? Quote
Martinminerva Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Mr T said: How long ago was the C# reverse discovered? It was mentioned in 2004 but possibly discovered before then? Iain Dracott says in his 2004 Coin News articles that he discovered it, but doesn't mention when. No references I can find that pre-date that, but only Iain would know for sure. Don't know if he is a member here, or if another member is in contact with him? Quote
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