MS64 😳

[Coinery]

 

https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-M8HXGK/hanover-victoria-1837-1901-ar-sixpence-dated-1887-pcgs-ms-64

Edited August 11 by Coinery

[copper123]

less than EF

[Coinery]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

less than EF

Agreed!

[Peckris 2]

What is the American MS64 - our GVF?

[Coinery]

1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:

What is the American MS64 - our GVF?

Apparently so! You’d normally expect to be ‘safe’ around those grades…staggeringly bad!

[copper123]

Coins of the year 1887 are really common, just be discerning and not in a rush, I must admit unc and a/unc are harder to find but they are out there don't fall for these con merchants

[Peckris 2]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

Coins of the year 1887 are really common, just be discerning and not in a rush, I must admit unc and a/unc are harder to find but they are out there don't fall for these con merchants

The 1887 shilling is arguably the most common Victorian coin, even in high grade - the sixpence is also very common but at least you have two types to collect.

 

[copper123]

And the threepence by far the most common victoria date

[coinkat]

I would not feel comfortable offering a grade opinion without seeing the coin in its entirety-including the reverse. Also, we are opining on a photograph which may or may not capture a realistic view of the coin. Grading standards across the pond are different and standards really should not be intermingled as that can be misleading. 

[Coinery]

43 minutes ago, coinkat said:

I would not feel comfortable offering a grade opinion without seeing the coin in its entirety-including the reverse. Also, we are opining on a photograph which may or may not capture a realistic view of the coin. Grading standards across the pond are different and standards really should not be intermingled as that can be misleading. 

I wasn’t so much asking for a grade, just that it was a million miles off being an MS64, even if the reverse was FDC. I did include the link to the upcoming sale, where the reverse is available for viewing.

Unfortunately, most people who will be bidding on the coin will only have the integrity of the grading company’s number and the images to back it up. Speaking only for myself, I think both are questionable. 

[VickySilver]

On 8/14/2026 at 4:00 PM, coinkat said:

I would not feel comfortable offering a grade opinion without seeing the coin in its entirety-including the reverse. Also, we are opining on a photograph which may or may not capture a realistic view of the coin. Grading standards across the pond are different and standards really should not be intermingled as that can be misleading. 

I tend to agree - photos can be most deceiving. I can show you graded MS 64 Brit coins that would absolutely KNOCK your socks off. In general a grade of 64 would certainly not be a VF in Brit standards. I agree the photo does not look good and an in-hand view would be necessary.

[ozjohn]

MS is MS, MS 60 is an un-circulated coin. Higher grades are more subjective with MS61 and higher attention is paid to strike, bag knocks, luster. toning etc. Wear and poor strike being very difficult to distinguish when it is slight. Also attention should be paid to the condition of the milling of the coin edge  The whole point of TPG is consistency for valuation and comparing coins. The subject coin from the photo shows slight wear on the higher points and more correctly graded AU 55 - 58 or EF IMO. Personally I prefer the Sheldon as it gets rid of the abt. nearly + etc that are much more subjective.  However  it must be applied accurately to be of use. Having said that the book The Standard Guide to Grading British Coins is a good guide