Plugged coins

[Citizen H]

On 12/13/2025 at 3:14 PM, Paddy said:

I guess most "serious" collectors would avoid plugged coins, or any other damage. But if that is the only way you can fill a gap within budget, then go for it! 

I have a number of damaged coins in my collection - some with engravings in the field, some ex-mount, some hammered even missing fragments, but they will fill the gaps until and unless I can afford to replace them with something better.

Here, for example, is my William I penny. I would love to have one without the missing chunk, but until one comes along at a price I am happy with, it will stay with me.

Your Henry VII, by the way, is a lovely example apart from the plug.

I couldn't agree more, I didn't have a agenda when buying coins and not knowing anything I bought any items I found old and interesting .....and cheap 🤷I like Paddy's with chunk missing...It has character, I have a few that have chunks missing and others with holes that have been worn as a pendants..... one is in a really good condition easy to make out the king and letters... I guess this came to be as it was worn rather than in circulation.  👍  

[Citizen H]

On 12/13/2025 at 10:30 PM, Ukstu said:

Don't mind counterstamped stuff so much as it's an interesting field that you can research sometimes

Aha.. do tell more..I have a few and have been wondering where to go to discover more details out... any Ideas where to go? 👍

[Ukstu]

4 hours ago, Citizen H said:

Aha.. do tell more..I have a few and have been wondering where to go to discover more details out... any Ideas where to go? 👍

I suppose it depends what you've got to work with. EJ ❤ FD on a love token is not going to go anywhere. It just depends how much information you have to start with.

If you've got full names and a date you might be able to find something out but you are probably going to need a paid subscription to ancestry or some other Genealogy website and even then it might lead knowhere as there likely will of been more than one person with that name around the same period.

I got lucky with my cartwheel penny as it had the guys full name , rank and unit engraved into it. 

[Paddy]

Quite a few Counter-stamps are commercial. Many copper pennies were stamped with "Lloyds" and used as tokens for their paper. The Chinese used Chop marks to confirm authenticity or claim ownership.

Some were also governmental - indicating a re-valuation or the use in subsidiary or revolutionary organisations. Many early Caribbean coins are counter stamped versions of other country's money.

Engraving tends to be more personal, individual and so difficult to track down. When I first started collecting again in the early 2000s I picked up a cartwheel penny at an antiques shop, which, in the terms of the vendor, had been "Vandalised as someone's written all over the back" As a result it was cheap. The wording was something like "When this you see, think of me, J Bond 1827" - it was a transportation token created by or for someone about to be shipped to the colonies! I put it on Ebay, and it sold for a tidy sum, going to Australia. Sadly I no longer have a picture.

Here is a Brazilian 20 Reis counter stamped by the government to revalue as 40 Reis. 

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Tidy up

[Citizen H]

7 hours ago, Ukstu said:

I suppose it depends what you've got to work with. EJ ❤ FD on a love token is not going to go anywhere. It just depends how much information you have to start with.

If you've got full names and a date you might be able to find something out but you are probably going to need a paid subscription to ancestry or some other Genealogy website and even then it might lead knowhere as there likely will of been more than one person with that name around the same period.

I got lucky with my cartwheel penny as it had the guys full name , rank and unit engraved into it. 

Ah... its the counterstamps that I would like to pursue, I have some Reales that have various Chinese counterstamps that are believed to be merchant stamps...  the other 2 attached are British coins counterstamped to be used in other country's so looking to find out where?

[Paddy]

Here is one that is probably a transportation token, but because the message is less clear, one cannot be certain:

[Ukstu]

6 hours ago, Citizen H said:

Ah... its the counterstamps that I would like to pursue, I have some Reales that have various Chinese counterstamps that are believed to be merchant stamps...  the other 2 attached are British coins counterstamped to be used in other country's so looking to find out where?

Apoligies for the misunderstanding. I am not too clued up on those type of marks. They are chop marks i think. There may be a book somewhere with them in.

I know there is books on the counterstamped trade tokens of the 18th century & 19th century covering the likes of the Bradford & Keighley workhouse tokens to name a few. Galata do a good one.

[Ukstu]

6 hours ago, Paddy said:

Here is one that is probably a transportation token, but because the message is less clear, one cannot be certain:

That is a tough one. My first impression was George Pettet. 

But it's a C punch instead of a G. Perhaps he didn't have a G punch. But if that was the case there could be other letters substituted by other punchs so it would make it extremely difficult to research i guess.

[Ukstu]

6 hours ago, Paddy said:

Here is one that is probably a transportation token, but because the message is less clear, one cannot be certain:

https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/pettet/george/97932

Could be him. According to the details added later on by a lady called Diane Jones he was executed for a murder carried out in Oatlands , Australia a few years after he arrived in Australia. 

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Details added.

[Paddy]

Wow! Well found!

If you are a member on that site, feel free to add a copy of my picture if you think it would be appreciated.

 

[Ukstu]

3 minutes ago, Paddy said:

Wow! Well found!

If you are a member on that site, feel free to add a copy of my picture if you think it would be appreciated.

 

I am not a member. I found the site by chance using "George Pettet Transported to the Colonies"  as a google search. It was the top link.

 

 

[Ukstu]

You should be able to find out more about him using Gemini Ai.

I pulled this up quickly. You could probably ask further questions and get some more details from it.

https://gemini.google.com/share/1a43cd2e2c35

[Coinery]

Stunning stuff, absolutely love it 👏👏👏

[wlewisiii]

1 hour ago, Ukstu said:

You should be able to find out more about him using Gemini Ai.

I pulled this up quickly. You could probably ask further questions and get some more details from it.

https://gemini.google.com/share/1a43cd2e2c35

I never trust any AI answer to be even 1% accurate. 

[Ukstu]

16 minutes ago, wlewisiii said:

I never trust any AI answer to be even 1% accurate. 

Yes it's not great. It's pulled most of the information off the convict records site i linked above. It might be able to pull up some stuff off one of the Genealogy website's about him though 🤞