Roman Denarius Coin ?

[Citizen H]

again taking a guess at this, 

could it be Roman, Denarius coin, ..................?

wondering is this is coin for the uk use?

Vespasian?

possible date? 

likely to be silver?

many thanks "H" 

 

[Paddy]

The portrait does look like Vespasian, but Titus and Domitian are very similar.

The reverse is an Altar, and according to my books that makes Domitian more likely. With so much damage, it is difficult to be sure. Most likely minted in Rome but for use across the whole empire, including Britannia. The closest match I have spotted is S2676 which was minted with Domitian as Caesar under Vespasian and would therefore date 69 to 79 AD. (But I stand to be corrected!)

Does appear to be silver. The mass devaluation of coinage and the use of progressively less and less silver had not started in the first century.

[Citizen H]

25 minutes ago, Paddy said:

The portrait does look like Vespasian, but Titus and Domitian are very similar.

The reverse is an Altar, and according to my books that makes Domitian more likely. With so much damage, it is difficult to be sure. Most likely minted in Rome but for use across the whole empire, including Britannia. The closest match I have spotted is S2676 which was minted with Domitian as Caesar under Vespasian and would therefore date 69 to 79 AD. (But I stand to be corrected!)

Does appear to be silver. The mass devaluation of coinage and the use of progressively less and less silver had not started in the first century.

Hello Paddy... unless already spotted historically I bought blindly any coins (way back pre computers day) that looked old enough to be a important find, I think the seller claimed it was Roman and I cant remember how much it was but knowing me it was under a £1, 30 odd years ago...... Paddy, many thanks for all of your time taken in dealing with my challenges. all the very best "H"   

[Citizen H]

during a bit of absence I've had some down time to continue with the boxes of eclectic coins that I've hoarded over the many years,

I could post photos everything however rubbed Victorian silver duplicates in low condition are now easier to identified so I wont become a time waster.

However..... Randomly I happened upon this which I believe to be a denarius.... Googles chucking up all manner of what it may be.....however nothing has matched completely....

Lord only knows where it came from and how much it cost....

As always any suggestions are greatly appreciated...... 👍   

  

 

[Paddy]

I think I can see the remains of "IMP TRAIAN ..." on the obverse, so Trajan?

Reverse legend seems to have some Greek letters, so possibly Roman provincial.

[Coinery]

I wish I had enough knowledge and experience to collect Roman coinage! To start would send me right back to scratch, where I’d spend the next 10 years buying duds and fakes at full market value, without a single bargain.

I think they’re a fabulous thing to have, though!

[Paddy]

I always like to see them, and have got better at Identifying them, but I have resisted collecting them. That is one huge rabbit hole to go down!

 

[Citizen H]

2 hours ago, Paddy said:

I always like to see them, and have got better at Identifying them, but I have resisted collecting them. That is one huge rabbit hole to go down!

 

these 2 that I've found would have been boot fairs ages ago (pre computer's) basic knowledge really and just found old coins an interest which was a side interest as I was really hunting WW1 Cap Badges and Medals... I'm still sifting through boxes bags & Cuboards ..... when will it end?  😟 Ive few more interesting Victorian etc to add to the forum, Paddy once again many thanks for your input I can now continue looking into my Trajan... once again I'm indebted to you.🙏🏻      

[Peckris 2]

If I had to make a semi-educated guess, I'd say it could be a crude provincial imitation of an official Roman denarius.

[Citizen H]

a bit of looking around armed with the Trajan name....Ive found  it turns out to be a Trajan Denarius, 110 A.D.  on the reverse Arabia Shelf waving a branch and carrying  cinnamon sticks, Camel to the left.  still looking around but 110 A.D. wow! 😲 many thanks all for the imput i'd never been able to found this out with out the help 🙏🏻👍        

[Peckris 2]

I don't believe there was a Roman goddess with 'Shelf' in her name!!

[Coys55]

43 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

I don't believe there was a Roman goddess with 'Shelf' in her name!!

The goddess of Waitrose?

[Paddy]

Yes, I am not sure where AI came up with "Arabia Shelf" - makes no sense from what I know of Ancient history.

I think the reverse legend starts "DEM..." so could be the Greek Goddess Demeter? but it may be "DEMNA.." which I can't relate. (The H is the Greek letter Eta - a long ee sound.)

The only book I have on these is "Greek Imperial Coins" by Sear, but it has few illustrations and rather assumes you can read most of the inscription!

 

[Ukstu]

It's not actually a denarius as you'd think but a drachm. 

Here's a similar one...https://en.numista.com/235578

The legends are the giveaway with it. 

[Citizen H]

ah...! 🤔 it was a surf of the Google Trajan brought up "Reverse: COS V P P SPQR OPTIMO PRINC. Arabia shelf on the left, carrying branch and cinnamon sticks, at your camel feet" it didn't make much sense to me but hey, who am I to over think these things 🤷🏻‍♂️, Stuart and Paddy have been of great help to me as always,  incorrectly its been referred to as a Denarius almost everywhere, Numista (many thanks Stuart) has been a great help, they have it as a Uncertain Arabian Roman city... Script in Greek....as recognised by Paddy, from the year 112. it seem to be quite high as a rarity and Silver,  Its very useful to learn these things and write all this down so I can put this away and rediscover without fear of thinking what the Heck is that?? Greatly indebted to you all, so once again many thanks  🙏🏻