ozjohn Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 The attached photo shows a coin graded NGC MS 64. I have no issue with the grading other than the coin has been damaged with digs around the King's effigy from the forehead to the tip of the King's nose. I get the feeling that these digs occurred during the minting process but it is hard to be sure. The question is should a coin be judged as MS if the damage happened at the mint or should be noted on the grading as PCGS does with cleaned coins or should the coin be downgraded if judged as post mint damage? In any case it would be a better coin without any damage. Any thoughts. Quote
Sword Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 My opinion is that damage is damage. Calling it pre or post mint damage is just an attempt to sugar the pill. I would just view such damage on the level of bag marks and they don't necessitate stating on the slab. The term "mint state" has never been taken literally by TPGs. Quote
ozjohn Posted September 30, 2024 Author Posted September 30, 2024 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Sword said: My opinion is that damage is damage. Calling it pre or post mint damage is just an attempt to sugar the pill. I would just view such damage on the level of bag marks and they don't necessitate stating on the slab. The term "mint state" has never been taken literally by TPGs. Exactly. However I've seen marks similar the ones described on several coins over the years and I think they are a bit more than bag marks. caused by coins knocking together. I was looking about cleaning on the PCGS site the other day and it seems that they do not consider dipping as cleaning. Edited September 30, 2024 by ozjohn more info Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 7 hours ago, ozjohn said: Exactly. However I've seen marks similar the ones described on several coins over the years and I think they are a bit more than bag marks. caused by coins knocking together. I was looking about cleaning on the PCGS site the other day and it seems that they do not consider dipping as cleaning. My little experience leads me to believe that that determination would depend upon who is submitting the coin. 1 Quote
copper123 Posted September 30, 2024 Posted September 30, 2024 If this has happened in the mint in bags , in transportation to a bank for example or during storage in a bank or at any other time its impossable to say, the only thing you can say for certain is the coin would be worth much more without it 1 Quote
ozjohn Posted October 2, 2024 Author Posted October 2, 2024 I think this one is a bit more than bag damage more like a metal flaw or intentional damage on the reverse by the A in half-crown. Probably down graded due to this but still attracted a fairly high grade from NGC along with PGCS who seem fairly tolerant to damage. To be honest I probably wouldn't brought the coin If I had noticed it earlier. 1 Quote
ozjohn Posted October 5, 2024 Author Posted October 5, 2024 (edited) Another coin with similar damage. on the king's forehead. From what I have noticed the marks come in 3s approximately in line. Edited October 5, 2024 by ozjohn more info Quote
ozjohn Posted October 19, 2024 Author Posted October 19, 2024 Another coin with similar damage. They seem to come in single marks and twos or threes in a line and are far too regular for bag damage. I've seen these marks on both George V and VI coins and as far as I can remember on the obverse. This example was dated 1924. 1 Quote
VickySilver Posted October 19, 2024 Posted October 19, 2024 John the 1912 looks on my iPhone to have a strike through at that spot and so different than the others which look to have bag contacts. Therefore it is part of the striking. Also at some site there are videos of the RM striking coins - they are very roughly treated tumbling down out of the striking chamber and down a chute into a collecting bin. And then unceremoniously tossed into bags. 1 1 Quote
copper123 Posted October 19, 2024 Posted October 19, 2024 Not to mention being spent in shops and returning to the bank 2 Quote
Sword Posted October 19, 2024 Posted October 19, 2024 2 hours ago, VickySilver said: John the 1912 looks on my iPhone to have a strike through at that spot and so different than the others which look to have bag contacts. Therefore it is part of the striking. I just couldn't figure out how the mark was caused. Doesn't look like a bag mark and doesn't look like graffiti. Strike through would make sense. 1 Quote
ozjohn Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 Another coin I noticed with the pattern struck in line. This time an 1899 florin CGS 60. As remarked before this damage has been noticed before on other coins from Victoria to George VI. 1 Quote
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