Jubilee head sixpence die pairings

[Nick]

Davies notes five principal reverses for sixpences 1887-1893 labelled A to E and also mentions that "Numerous design & die sinking differences exist before adoption of rev. 'D'.".  What is not mentioned is that there are 2 obverses and the changeover seems to have occured during 1889. The picture below shows the difference between obverses 1 and 2, left and right respectively.  As long as you can focus that close, you can see the difference with the naked eye.  The difference is a wedge cut out of the truncation above J.E.B. which is present in obverse 1 and not in obverse 2.

I'm not entirely certain which crossover die pairings exist for 1889 but I have seen 1+C, 2+C, 2+D and even 2+A, so it is possible that all permutations are out there.  As far as I'm aware all obverses after 1889 are obverse 2, unless you know different.

[1887jubilee]

Yes you are onto something here. I have examined my extensive 1887 collection of 6d. There are as you say different obverses but not limited to the two you show. Even the reverses are not limited to the A-E in Davies. there being at least four of 1887 alone. For comparison I would like to see your obv. 2 if it is 1887. I only have one.

[Nick]

33 minutes ago, 1887jubilee said:

For comparison I would like to see your obv. 2 if it is 1887. I only have one.

The images I used were from 1888 for obverse 1 and 1889 for obverse 2.  I've never seen an obverse 2 before 1889, although you could say that the JEB on truncation obverse is similar.

[Nick]

Having just looked through the London Coins archive, I see that obverse 2 is mentioned for a number of 1889 sixpences in their auction on 01/03/2009.  I wonder if these were from Peter Davies' collection.

[Mr T]

9 hours ago, 1887jubilee said:

Yes you are onto something here. I have examined my extensive 1887 collection of 6d. There are as you say different obverses but not limited to the two you show. Even the reverses are not limited to the A-E in Davies. there being at least four of 1887 alone. For comparison I would like to see your obv. 2 if it is 1887. I only have one.

Four different reverses for 1887? What are they?

[VickySilver]

What about the 1893 Jub? The coin with no respect, LOL,,,,,

[Nick]

8 hours ago, VickySilver said:

What about the 1893 Jub? The coin with no respect, LOL,,,,,

Obverse 2 and reverse D, but I've never had one, not even a poor one.  I suspect there are not enough of them to have any die pairing variants.

[VickySilver]

If interested I can send mine to post, it's alright.

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, VickySilver said:

If interested I can send mine to post, it's alright.

Please do.

[UPINSMOKE]

Yes I would like to see it as well.

[Nick]

8 hours ago, VickySilver said:

If interested I can send mine to post, it's alright.

Here are the pictures (reduced in size) of the 1893 Jubilee head sixpence from VS.

 

[Peckris 2]

Is that the one from DNW last week?

[Nick]

12 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

Is that the one from DNW last week?

No, that's one that VS has had for a while.

[VickySilver]

Maybe 12 years or so; thankfully much better in hand with those lines that are die prep.  

[jaggy]

On 3/14/2021 at 9:52 AM, VickySilver said:

If interested I can send mine to post, it's alright.

This is one of mine:

[1887jubilee]

On 3/12/2021 at 9:53 PM, Mr T said:

Four different reverses for 1887? What are they?

Can I contact you to discus? I have 8 different 1887 reverses.

Edited March 18, 2021 by 1887jubilee
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[Mr T]

5 hours ago, 1887jubilee said:

Can I contact you to discus? I have 8 different 1887 reverses.

Yes, will send you a PM.

[Nick]

In response to a message from a forum member, I am posting the images I have for the non-withdrawn type sixpences 1887-1892.

[Nick]

1887, 1+A, Davies 1160.

 

[Nick]

1888, 1+A, Davies 1161.

 

[Nick]

1888, 1+B, Davies 1162.

 

[Nick]

1888, 1+A, 1 over 1, not in Davies.

 

[Nick]

1889, 1+C, Davies 1164.

 

[Nick]

1889, 2+A, not in Davies.

 

[Nick]

1889, 2+C.