Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just wondering exactly how many varieties there are, I'm missing JEB on trunc and the R/I/V, but I have a few of them. I believe there are 20ish but can't find any sensible resource to confirm it. I do need to check them all for the correct obverse / reverse combos but I would be extremely suprised if I have any of the less common ones given how much I haven't paid so far I currrently have: YH JH (withdrawn) R/I Vcitoria R/B Victoria R/V Victoria R/I Britt A/A Victoria R/I Britt JH (Wreath) I appreceiate any input Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 This was a very subtle attempt at clickbait for @1887jubilee .. I was kind of hinting at how the book might be coming along, but I do subtle rather too well at times I think Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 He identified one of my 6ds as a pattern, but I'm not getting carried away - he says there are very many unrecorded patterns. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 5, 2018 Author Posted October 5, 2018 I am over 99.9% sure I don't have anything out of the ordinary I just have this strange desire to try and get one of each silver sixpence coin for 1887 in reasonable grade. Don't think I'm going to achieve a full set in unc any time this or possible even next decade! A good book on the subject would certainly help - I think I remember @Rob mentioning something over 130 varieties for the year across the whole coinage? that could be a lifetimes work which I don't fancy at the moment but it gives me scope for the future 🎓 Quote
1887jubilee Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 OK . You have got my attention. It is good to see I am still remembered amongst the officionardos. How many varieties are there? Well I will give you a clue. When my daughter wants the children putting to sleep she says "Grandad tell them the story of the die varieties of the 1887 sixpences. It has become something of a joke in our family. Pekris has an odd one which was thought to be a pattern and may still be I have only seen 3. (2 are mine and one is his.) If you really are interested and can cope with the mind numbing minutiae it would be best to begin with the R/I of which there are more than a dozen. Then the various proofs:- R/I ,matt, YH , normal JH short serifs rev withdrawn, rev 3 , filled crown, broad ribbon , narrow ribbon. How anm I doing, have you dozed off yet? Pattern with SIX PENCE only R6 so available; Of course you could include the Spink & Son pattern sixpences in tin, copper, brass, silver, gold, aluminium.....................with or without Spink & Son on the reverse.......................with or without MADE IN BAVARIA on the rim....................and a few that have S&S on the trunk or JEB or are blank...............some of these are easily found there were a couple last month in DNW.........fast asleep yet. Come to Plymouth and we will have a chat. There are some easy ones you still have missing. Rob I am up over 350 counting all the repro stuff on the market 1 1 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 9, 2018 Author Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Thanks @1887jubilee - over a dozen R/I doesn't suprise me, I have 2 and thought a third but that turned out to be an R/B - but not the one with R/I on Britt. I think I need to make a weekend of heading towards the south, I keep telling @Paddy I will drop in to see him Is there any news on the fabled book as yet, it's something I've been looking forward to since I first saw mention of it around 2010. Kev Edited October 9, 2018 by Unwilling Numismatist Spelling as bas as Victorian die makers Quote
Paddy Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: Thanks @1887jubilee - over a dozen R/I doesn't suprise me, I have 2 and thought a third but that turned out to be an R/B - but not the one with R/I on Britt. I think I need to make a weekend of heading towards the south, I keep telling @Paddy I will drop in to see him Is there any news on the fabled book as yet, it's something I've been looking forward to since I first saw mention of it around 2010. Kev Always welcome Kev - I keep finding 1887 sixpences in hidden stashes and I have never examined them for variations other than the basic 3! Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 10, 2018 Author Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Paddy said: Always welcome Kev - I keep finding 1887 sixpences in hidden stashes and I have never examined them for variations other than the basic 3! Paddy, there are 4 you should look for (at the absolute minimum). Obviously YH, JH withdrawn, JH Wreath and the JH with JEB (on* the truncation, not under it - these seem to be the most elusive and fiscally rewarding). Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 11, 2018 Author Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 11:14 AM, Peckris 2 said: He identified one of my 6ds as a pattern, but I'm not getting carried away - he says there are very many unrecorded patterns. out of interest would you happen to have any images you could post or mail me please Peck? Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 14, 2018 Author Posted October 14, 2018 @1887jubilee Is there such a beast as and R/I/V for the withdrawn type. I ask because the underlying serif on this one is too far to the right for it to have been from the V. Quote
Sleepy Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Mine looks very similar to yours, always wondered if there was something else in there? Quote
1887jubilee Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Yes. The R/V is a variety of the R/I. You will notice the serifs on all the Rs are long on the right of each foot. You will also have noticed the R/V on the R of Gratia which is not so strong. This is on all R/Vs.The R/B is not R/B it also is just a variety of the R/I . So there you have three R/I varieties already. Edited October 14, 2018 by 1887jubilee Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 14, 2018 Author Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, 1887jubilee said: Yes. The R/V is a variety of the R/I. You will notice the serifs on all the Rs are long on the right of each foot. You will also have noticed the R/V on the R of Gratia which is not so strong. This is on all R/Vs.The R/B is not R/B it also is just a variety of the R/I . So there you have three R/I varieties already. With the R/B some show a protusion to the left of the front leg of the R, which isn't obvious for a normal R/I though, that's how I iunderstand the difference, is that corect? Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 14, 2018 Author Posted October 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Sleepy said: Mine looks very similar to yours, always wondered if there was something else in there? Indeed, that's why I wanted some further clarification It does indeed look the same. I need to re-check my R/B though to ensure I have my full set of marbles, and then revisit my others. I think I've more varieties than I thought but I keep selling the damn things so I might have to start keeping hold of a few more! Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 11 October 2018 at 11:17 PM, Unwilling Numismatist said: out of interest would you happen to have any images you could post or mail me please Peck? Sure thing. The main difference is in the date: the first 8 appears to be punched over a higher 8 (I think), and the 7 is quite a bit further from the 188 than is normal. Quote
Nick Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 23 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: @1887jubilee Is there such a beast as and R/I/V for the withdrawn type. I ask because the underlying serif on this one is too far to the right for it to have been from the V. Nice close up. Interesting that the the diagonal line above and below the crossbar appear to be not quite on the same alignment. Quote
Rob Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Is that not due to the shallow impression of the underlying letter? With only the top of the punch relief entered, you would only see a bit of the punch, but presumably end up with the sides showing as two parallel lines once fully entered. It's the sort of detail that you could only check for by looking at V(ICT..) on an uncirculated example. Edited October 15, 2018 by Rob Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 15, 2018 Author Posted October 15, 2018 It may also be due to my slightly dubious lighting, however I have just installed a new striplight to replace my 2 independant spots, so I'll give it a whirl with "even" light and see if there is anything more to it @Peckris 2 thanks for that, I'll revisit mine and see if I have anything going on there! - that was a JH wasn't it? Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: @Peckris 2 thanks for that, I'll revisit mine and see if I have anything going on there! - that was a JH wasn't it? Yes - the YH version has longer teeth. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 15, 2018 Author Posted October 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: Yes - the YH version has longer teeth. The date is only 9 teeth on the JH, but I agree now that you said it, the teeth are longer on the YH. Never noticed before 1 Quote
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