Bronze & Copper Collector Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Zo Arms said: Yes, that's it. The coins are well mixed up. Heart leapt when I spotted the ' mule '. I think it's a HALP. It is a known pairing for this variety. I'll post some pics when it arrives. I presume that the coin in question is the 1861, which, although admittedly it does look like a P/F, I would tend to doubt that it is a HALP penny. Although it is known with both obverses 6 and 7; to the best of my knowledge it is only known on reverse G. The coin in question is a reverse E (note the LCW). I would suspect that it is some sort of gunk at the tip of the crossbars of the F in HALF. For what it is worth, I hope that I am proven incorrect, or that I have been looking at wrong coin. The best scenario would be that it is a new discovery (those are always nice). Best of Luck Edited February 1, 2023 by Bronze & Copper Collector 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 Well, I don't think that it could be a wider gap if it tried. Quote
mrbadexample Posted February 7, 2023 Author Posted February 7, 2023 Do you think that looks deliberately iffy? 1 Quote
Rob Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 Is it even the same coin? There's crud around the L which isn't in Zo Arms' image and a dig in the upright, not in the seller's picture which also has a small protrusion at the top of the F upright . I would say someone is being less than honest. 2 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zo Arms said: Appears to be the same coin to me. 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 The same coin, as the scar by her arm proves. I did check when it arrived. My photo shows the coin in the condition that I received it, so it has had a good wipe before it was sent. Thank you for your concerns though. Quote
Rob Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 I concur, it looks like the same coin. He could have used a few more pixels though - they don't cost that much. Quote
Bruce Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Zo Arms said: The same coin, as the scar by her arm proves. I did check when it arrived. My photo shows the coin in the condition that I received it, so it has had a good wipe before it was sent. Thank you for your concerns though. Sorry to hear about that. Wonder if the seller deliberately blur the picture or how to amend it to look like HALP, as no where like a P in the coin you received. Quote
Coinery Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 And all the while everyone was missing the fact this was a unique IENNY 1 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 On 2/8/2023 at 1:30 PM, DrLarry said: did this ever arrive and was it? Yes, it did arrive eventually, after a great deal of pleading and a phone call to Canada. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to take, up close, detailed photos of both numbers and it would be unfair to ask Ian again. Wish I knew someone else, who could undertake such a task? Maybe similar to others that have appeared on this thread. Perchance. 😁 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Could someone confirm or deny reverse K please? Flat rim and no windows to lighthouse. Or maybe reverse J Edited February 15, 2023 by Zo Arms Additional text. Quote
Martinminerva Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) It is 8+J. Reverse K has Britannia's left leg distinctly descending into her lap and the date digits much lower. J has the two legs parallel (as above), and digits higher. Edited February 16, 2023 by Martinminerva Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Martinminerva said: It is 8+J. Reverse K has Britannia's left leg distinctly descending into her lap and the date digits much lower. J has the two legs parallel (as above), and digits higher. Thanks Martin. It was an impulse buy on Saturday. Probably paid too much for it. £71. Initially thought a K but on posting here, realised that it was maybe a J. Hence the additional text. Thank you for confirmation. Another one off the list though. To many people, the condition would be a problem, especially the scar across the bust, but for me it shows that the coin was used as intended, with a history and a life. A survivor, if you like, rather than fresh from the press. Floats my boat. F314 8+J. R16. I'm happy. 2 Quote
Rob Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 That's two in a short period of time. I bought the 8+J in the CCA/Nantwich auction at the end of November. It was described as 8+I (also described as such on the accompanying envelope) but obviously wasn't. I paid just under £45 for it. I'm looking for a 8+I, 9+K and 12+L if anyone has anything available, as long as it's not a washer. 3 Quote
Bruce Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Rob said: That's two in a short period of time. I bought the 8+J in the CCA/Nantwich auction at the end of November. It was described as 8+I (also described as such on the accompanying envelope) but obviously wasn't. I paid just under £45 for it. I'm looking for a 8+I, 9+K and 12+L if anyone has anything available, as long as it's not a washer. Well done Rob, i bidded in the same auction, but didn't spot this one. Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 12:17 AM, Rob said: I'm looking for a 8+I, 9+K and 12+L if anyone has anything available, as long as it's not a washer. Rob. I've just messaged you. Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 After my mistaken identification of the 8+J above, I decided to check my other two that I had down as reverse K. Turns out that I have both an 8 and a 9, reverse I. So F313, F314, F315 crossed off in quick succession. A further search on eBay, turned up this one, which arrived this morning. Reverse K. ? Paired with 9. F317. 2 Quote
Martinminerva Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 Yep - that's a 9+K. I was watching this too, but the seller kept "ending" then re-listing it! Good show too on the 8+I - that's a very rare die pairing in my experience, rarer I feel than Freeman states. 1 Quote
Rob Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Martinminerva said: Yep - that's a 9+K. I was watching this too, but the seller kept "ending" then re-listing it! Good show too on the 8+I - that's a very rare die pairing in my experience, rarer I feel than Freeman states. Likely nothing suspicious. When you have a reduced listing fee weekend, you take down the most expensive items, or those with only a day or two to go, and then relist to keep the fees down. Can save a fortune. 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Martinminerva said: Yep - that's a 9+K. I was watching this too, but the seller kept "ending" then re-listing it! Good show too on the 8+I - that's a very rare die pairing in my experience, rarer I feel than Freeman states. Thanks Martin. His re-listing was partly my fault. He first started at £20. I bid. He then cancelled auction and re-listed at £40. I bid. Asked him if he had a price in mind and offered £70 and we settled on £80 but as my bid had cancelled the best offer, he had to relist to bring the best offer option back into play. A bit long winded but another number in hand. Quote
Zo Arms Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Rob said: Likely nothing suspicious. When you have a reduced listing fee weekend, you take down the most expensive items, or those with only a day or two to go, and then relist to keep the fees down. Can save a fortune. Must admit, I was relieved to see that the envelope contained the coin that I purchased. 2 Quote
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