what I got for £3 in brum today G what a bargain

[copper123]

It needs a clean sum heavy encrustation on there but well worth £3

[1949threepence]

Got a pic of the reverse, copper?

[jelida]

That is fantastic, sideways G in REG, well done! Presumably in G of D:G too.

Jerry

Edited December 12, 2016 by jelida

[Rob]

The question is, what will the value be when cleaned? Clearly more than £3, but ultimately dependant on how well it is done. As it stands, it's horrible.

[Colin G.]

What is the Reverse like?

[copper123]

[copper123]

worse yes - this might take some time this cleaning project - any surgestions out there ? tried the usual acetone

I  imagine the sarcastic ones might be "spend more money on a decent coin " LOL

[Charlie]

A soak in olive oil wouldn't hurt. 

[Nordle11]

5 minutes ago, copper123 said:

worse yes - this might take some time this cleaning project - any surgestions out there ? tried the usual acetone

I  imagine the sarcastic ones might be "spend more money on a decent coin " LOL

I'm sarcastic and I have one surgestion, but it's not "spend more money on a decent coin"  

[Colin G.]

Definitely can't grumble at that price!! Well done

[copper123]

will try the olive oil first - any surgestions on how long for?

[mrbadexample]

Just now, copper123 said:

will try the olive oil first - any surgestions on how long for?

From what I've read, about the rest of your life should be a good start. 

[copper123]

Virgin or extra virgin?

[jelida]

Unfortunately acetone will have no effect on inorganic salts such as verdigris. And I wouldnt be in a rush to turn to the olive oil either (though as a mild organic acid it may be helpful if all else fails). I would initially de-grease the coin of those waxy handling deposits by scrubbing fairly aggressively in petrol using something like a small paint brush cut short. It shouldnt abrade the patina, or alter the colour. Then wash in acetone. What you will be left with is the stubborn verdigris, and here I do like verdicare, though it takes time as the verd has to be manually 'picked' at periodically. I use a 20 to 40 X binocular microscope, which helps a lot. I would have thought that this coin could be 'saved'.

The bottom line is that you might have to strip the coin using a weak acid, and re-tone it. There may well be some minor pitting if the verd has removed much metal.

 

Jerry

 

[Stuntman]

At least 4 weeks in olive oil, changing the oil after 2 weeks I would say.  That should get rid of a decent amount of the verd on the reverse.  Can't do much, if any, harm in my opinion.

[copper123]

TYVM you lot I will hopefully put the coin on later - after treatment - like you lot said most anything you can do will improve the coin

[mrbadexample]

Look forward to seeing the results - I reckon that's a great little find.

[1949threepence]

Great find, but whatever is done to it, will never be any great shakes, condition wise.  

Often the case with rare finds, unfortunately.

 

[Rob]

9 hours ago, Nordle11 said:

I'm sarcastic and I have one surgestion, but it's not "spend more money on a decent coin"  

This? It's only £3.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dictionaries+for+sale+£3&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=kktPWLzOMcfv8Af8y5bADw#q=dictionaries+for+sale+£3&tbm=shop&spd=4487374099716405

[copper123]

I strongly suspect that the gunk on the coin has ment it's gone undetected  over all these years , even the dealer missed it .

It is in fact probably one of the great rarities of the bronze farthing series - its much rarer than the 1860 mule , and on a par with peck 530 - thats why it goes for silly money in any grade , I am sure only 50-100 exist and most are in well established collections .

[Peter]

Try Verdicare.It won't make it worse.

[copper123]

ta peter you are about the best on advice here so verdicare it will be

[mrbadexample]

Please keep us updated of how it comes along.

 

[copper123]

verdicare  ordered today - expensive stuff expensive postage - I hope its worth it !

[jelida]

18 minutes ago, copper123 said:

verdicare  ordered today - expensive stuff expensive postage - I hope its worth it !

It is expensive, and I find it very helpful, but not all do;  the repeated 'picking' at the surface of the verd is an essential part of the process, as per the instructions, as is time. Do get a good magnifier so that you can be very precise. 

Jerry