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Thanks Ian. I've added this information to my varieties and collection websites, acknowledging you as source.

Thanks Pete - I've added it to the website, attributed to the Forum.

Bramah states that the first colon is sometimes "discoverable".

Good spot, Ian - all 3 of my examples have this little lump on the G.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255194362264?hash=item3b6ac4f198:g:VV8AAOSw3L1hdYTQ Why oh why do people do this ? Do they really think that someone might buy it ? Are there really people out there paying stupid money for worthless coins ?

Reverse D designs can and do vary quite a lot, albeit in very small ways but the reverse of my F22 seems to match the reverse of the coin question pretty convincingly, especially in the folds of Britannia's gown and left sleeve.

Yes, coming back to your original point, a total uplift of 33.8% on the Ian Sawden sale is outrageous compared with the 5% that I used to pay at Croydon Coin Auction when I started out going to auctions.

Thanks Mike, I should have noticed that as I'd asked DNW to send me the catalogue for the auction. It's a good thing to have on the shelf, sitting nicely alongside the Colin Adams catalogue.

I've no idea why Import Duty is payable - maybe Ian Sawden lived abroad ?

Actually Mike, it's only 5%. Commission is Buyer's premium (24% of hammer + VAT) + Import (5% of hammer) i.e £1000 hammer attracts £288 premium plus £50 import - £1338.00 total Nevertheless, an additional 5% is less than welcome !

I watched in awe at the prices realised - I was worried a while ago that the market was dropping - not any more !!!

Plain old "D" I think.

Just recounted - both sides of the fake have 160 teeth.

Yes, they are very good likenesses but fortunately they have different numbers of border teeth. True 1933 - obverse 162 teeth, reverse 184 teeth Fake 1933 - obverse 160 teeth, reverse 159 teeth ( I did a quick count and must check these)

Are you able to name its owner ?

Sorry about the size and quality of pics but, comparing the obverse of the "fake" against the real thing, the fake has 10 teeth across the width of REX whereas the real thing has 11 teeth.

How about this one ?

I'd not seen that - many thanks for the link. Really interesting. Richard

My 1970 edition contains the numbers you mention. No mention of missing H and I don't think there's a later edition ?

Michael Gouby has recently sent me pictures of an 1860 F10 with an interesting variation on the reverse. There are 2 additional lines to the border of St Andrew's cross in the top left quadrant of Britannia's shield. They seem to be too accurately placed to be the result of a die clash and Michael has asked collectors to check their reverse D pennies for any further instances. I have checked all mine and can't find any. Michael (and I) will be interested to learn of any additional examples.

An 1882 F115 with apparently no H was sold by London Coins in 2014

But it can be difficult to distinguish exact obverse/reverse on very worn specimens.

£4,500 plus commission

Just watched the unc 1882 F112 sell for £30,000 plus commission !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!