Paddy

Can anyone point me in the right direction for this coin? Came to me as "unidentified Celtic". Looking through Spink and Mack the closest I can get is Regni uninscribed, but not an exact match. It appears to be Copper, measures about 11mm across and weighs 1.89g. Thanks!

Still there now. It doesn't take more than 30 seconds to take down a listing on Easylive - I've watched an auctioneer doing it! I'm afraid my opinion of The Coin Cabinet is dropping like a stone.

Here you go: https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/fad1b8005fe5a28bb97fcdf7932f24fb/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/auction-119-premium-guineas-unites-sovereigns-penn-lot-209/

Still showing on Easylive!

Still showing on Easylive.

I don't know much about the proofs, but as a circulation issue, it certainly looks wrong to me. The lines are too pronounced and artificial - what I call "Cartoon like".

Nice example. I would think it would go down as Peck 689 - both bars missing. The comment in Peck about numerous errors and the use of inverted Vs for As would cover the possibility of a partial bar I think. I have one of these too, but not as good as yours!

I think these problems arise when a shadow copy of the website has a file that has become corrupted. When a website is used, intermediary servers around the world keep copies of core files to save having to keep going back to the host server. This also explains why updates to websites often take a few days to propagate all round the world. The shadow copies are updated periodically, so eventually the corrupted file is replaced and everything returns to normal. I don't know of any means of forcing a refresh of shadow copies, so patience is the only option. But it is always worth reporting in case the problem is on the host rather than a copy.

No problems here. I am on Windows 11 and Chrome.

There are others who are far more expert than I am on Charles I shillings. I am sure they will chip in soon. In the meantime: Yes it is a Charles I shilling. The XII behind the head is for 12 pence - a shilling, and the "Carolus" above the head confirms Charles. The next key thing is to work out the mintmark - you can see just the base of this before the word Carolus. It could be the Tun, but others may correct me. Yes, clipping of these coins is common, even though it was a Capital offence. Value in that condition is difficult to assess. Unless it proves to be a rare variety I suspect the sentimental value as you first good find will outweigh any price at market.

Can I ask how much he accepted for it? I made a buy it now offer which was rejected. (PM me if you prefer.) P

That works now, thanks. Coin is clearly London, not Newcastle and to be fair NGC have not put a mint on it as far as I can see. I have tried to message the seller, but the Ebay messaging system does not let me enter any text except if I want to make an offer! Maybe someone else can try?

That link takes me to a list on Ebay, which just has two Anglo Saxon coins?

Good analysis @Sword. For me Factor 1 is the most important, with factor 2 next. After that, the other three are interesting but would not entice me to spend big bucks.

This article today from the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dyw4g0v1po They describe it as Norman, though nearly half the coins are Harold II. With there being 2500 of them, I think I am glad a museum has bought them to keep together. That lot coming onto the open market would kill the value of Harold II and William I coins!

I always struggle with varieties, but using @secret santa's website I think the Obverse is fairly standard Freemen 6, as the portrait of Victoria is the younger version. Potentially it is the reverse that may be more interesting. It looks to me that it might be Freeman "I" instead of the more usual "G", which would make it much scarcer. I'm sure some of the better penny experts will correct me! A close up of the reverse around the lighthouse might help.

There is a Cockayne Collection of British and Irish Butterflies and Moths, but I guess this is not what you are after! https://data.nhm.ac.uk/dataset/cockayne-collection

My 1892 is the fatter face version I think. I struggle with the date width, but I think this is the wider date?

As everyone here knows, I am not good on minor varieties! But looking at my 1890 and 1891 Obverse Rs they resemble to 1889 with the fatter chin, but not the 1888? Is it that the Obverse R for 1889 and later is different to the obverse R 1888 and earlier? That is a different die and so not really and R?

... and Noonans too! Commission on all that lot must have been much more than expected.

"Scott" is reference to another member here who has a particular affinity with metal-detectorist coins! As for cleaning - be very careful and don't use anything abrasive or corrosive. One technique is to soak in clean water and then put in the deep freeze. Wash off and repeat several times. With luck this will split off some of the Verdigris and crud without damaging the underlying metal.

The tide levels for all the 1874 pennies I believe are "low" compared to some later ones, so there is no variation with that. (Low and high tide varieties are of interest in the veil head Victoria and Edward VII pennies.) I have downloaded your picture, rotated it and expanded as far as I can. I think we are going to have much better photos of the "2" to accept as that and not a damaged "H" as there are no other records of a die number in that location for an 1874 penny. The reverse on your coin appears to be Freeman H, which is the most common for an 1874H penny.

Took me a while to find more info on Book 3 - Tickets and Passes. A very niche topic and not for me I think. I'm sure I would find it interesting, and I suspect I have had a few goodies through my hands in the past, which I would enjoy looking up, but I am not collecting or buying in that area now. I have Book 2 - Unofficial Farthings - and have rarely used it. PS. By the way, if anyone is looking for a cheap copy of Book 1, there is one coming up at auction at Whitton & Laing in Exeter on Friday.

Wow! That has hiked a bit! It was £25 when it came out in 2010, but second hand prices quickly jumped to around the £65 mark, so I guess they felt there was the demand to justify it.

That sounds like a fascinating book! The Withers list of evasions is part of "The Token Book" (volume 1) by Paul and Bente R Withers published by Galata in 2010. When I last went looking for a copy of this for a friend I found it difficult and expensive to buy - I hope you have better luck. The book also covers 17th, 18th and early 19th century tokens very well - not completely comprehensive but enough to cover most needs.