Paulus

Be nice to see the obverse, anyone come across that? 52 mm!

Can't beat a bit of classic prog

lol what software are you using there Stu?

A lot naughty - definitely!

Yep, and that's become another factor for me ... balance. Even without being a date completist, or a micro-variety collector, milled silver until 1816 can look very samey - a splash of different colours and designs, history and intrigue keeps me going

Personally I avoided all non-circulation coins for a while (when I first started more serious collecting), i.e. proofs, Maundy, patterns, etc,, because at the time I kinda thought well if they haven't even been designed for circulation, there's not much difference between these and modern tat churned out by the RM, Westminster, et al. Plus, if no-one has ever even handled these coins, that diminishes their sense of history (social and otherwise). Perhaps my appreciation for numismatic items in general has expanded, since a do now possess some of each ... partly because avoiding such uncirculated items would deny me of appreciating some true works of art in at their very best Do others feel the same?

He's PM'd me back, says he hopes to be back soon

I've PM'd him to ask if he's okay, does anyone have a contact number for him?

Thanks Rob!

Any Any further IDs on this please anyone?

It's an 1823 Peter! Perhaps rarer than the rarer 1825 - Spink values it at VF 2,500 and EF £7,000. I would also say around VF based on the pics, but there is a big difference in value between NVF and GVF

They are simply driven by profit, like many companies ... I don't particularly blame them for taking his money, only a fool would think those coins merited slabbing after 2 minutes of research. Might do something for their reputation if they did though ...

I've now received the coin and given it a gentle wash, hopefully it will now be easier to ID? I think it's 'just' a scratch on the reverse, not a crack ...

Quite comical really! Very recently slabbed too ... they are up to about UIN 34210 at the moment. Funniest thing is, he probably cleaned it himself before getting it slabbed, thinking it might 'improve' it!

Indeed, with prices accordingly! Nice eye candy though!

Re-posting this here so as not to potentially hijack Declan's post any further! I'm in a major music mood today. I often am on Thursdays, after listening to an on-line radio rock show hosted by a very talented guitarist friend of mine Steve Boyce on Blyth Valley radio, 4-6 pm each Thursday, highly recommended: http://www.blythvall....uk/listen.html He plays classic rock, prog, psych from the mid 60s to the mid 70s, including some obscure stuff, laced with factoids. Are there any serious prog fans on the Forum? Today he played something I had never heard before (he often does), and it's the best vintage prog track - that I hadn't heard before - in a very long time! This band were formed out of Colloseum and other bands, and includes some seriously good musicians, including the legendary John Wetton on bass (later of Family and King Crimson). Check out the bass playing on this!! And general all-round musicianship ... https://www.youtube....h?v=ALuhhNhA23Q

I'm in a major music mood today. I often am on Thursdays, after listening to an on-line radio rock show hosted by a very talented guitarist friend of mine Steve Boyce on Blyth Valley radio, 4-6 pm each Thursday, highly recommended: http://www.blythvalleycommunityradio.co.uk/listen.html He plays classic rock, prog, psych from the mid 60s to the mid 70s, including some obscure stuff, laced with factoids. Are there any serious prog fans on the Forum? Today he played something I had never heard before (he often does), and it's the best vintage prog track - that I hadn't heard before - in a very long time! This band were formed out of Colloseum and other bands, and includes some seriously good musicians, including the legendary John Wetton on bass (later of Family and King Crimson). Check out the bass playing on this!! And general all-round musicianship ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALuhhNhA23Q

Great fun!

Welcome Potlings! Gothic florins can be very beautiful in high grade IMO

This one is top of the CGS charts, finest known out of 32 graded, it was graded 85. Not as nice as Nicks IMO, at least judging by the pics alone. ... and the CGS valuation? An astonishing £350, compared to a Spink 2015 value of £120 in UNC ....

Indeed they are Redd ... the half crown should be roughly 2.5 times the weight of the shillings - in those days (in fact for hundreds of years!) the silver content of the coins was relative (if not exactly equal) to their face value

Yes, I'm not convinced that that is a reliable indicator ... I remember some fakes having a 'line' from the King's mouth to the edge, a pretty sure fire indicator. With the BNTA not sharing the information we need, we really should be able to put something together on here. Problem coins appear to include: 1905 HCWreath crownsNorthumberland shillingsGIII HCGothic CrownsGothic Florinsthere are many others, but shall we begin with those, and document the known fakes from our membership?

Thanks Coppers, interesting article ... greed will always out

Yes, just 3000 supposedly, so similar-ish to the number of circulation wreath Crowns minted for each year (I know they all vary, with 1934 being <1000) ... which unsurprisingly are also swimming with fakes. For reference this is a high grade CGS authenticated example: I was relatively new to serious collecting 3 years ago, and would like to think I would be much more wise and careful now ... I have steered clear of them ever since, but I would like a choice one for my collection one day, where the authenticity and provenance was beyond doubt! But as my fake example illustrates, a coin bought at auction does not necessarily guarantee its authenticity, and since this example I have had to return coins bought at auction that were passed as genuine but had very obvious signs, such as an incorrect die axis (GIII half crown forgeries often exhibit this) - and this is of course something you cannot check from the pics!