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Try this link: http://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/circulation-coin-mintage-figures/two-pounds-to-20p-issued

Rarely seen so many factual and grammatical errors in an eBay description! Apparently 1818 is nearly 300 years ago! Who'd have thought ...

Proof for me Deep cameo first strike FDC

Thanks Dave, exactly what I thought, how could it be otherwise?

If they sold you a fake or previously holed coin I bet you could return it? Definitely, and I have had to do that (successfully, even though I didn't buy it from the auction house) with a Northumberland shilling. But that falls under the category 'not as described', not 'I've changed my mind', doesn't it? Boy we are having some lively debates about hammered grading and auction rules tonight

Agreed Dave, I don't think you can do that, and if you could the whole process would be undermined

All - I am trying to establish whether a 14-day no-quibble return is law, on on-line auction purchases, as Mark suggests - that is all. Of course, if there is a dispute with the item pics or description, that is one thing, but I am talking about the option to simply 'change your mind' - which I do not believe is backed by law.

They could, but you shouldn't have to give a reason if you are covered by a form of 'distance selling, cooling off period legislation' - I am just trying to establish whether that is the law nowadays?

Mark The key distinction here relates to a 'no-quibble' return - if you are questioning the description in the auction listing that is one thing, and eBay and Auction Houses will often find in favour of the bidder - they may not have to by law, unless it is clear cut. On the other hand, simply changing your mind as the buyer, within 14 days, is something else entirely ... do you see what I am getting at?

Thanks Mark Well, if this applies to online auctions it's a bit of a game-changer I have to say! And why wouldn't it - are there exceptions made for auctions?? If it does, we effectively have any coin won on an on-line auction on a 10 day approval, whether it's from a bricks and mortar house, or eBay (allowing for postage times). It would change my thinking completely, since I could examine the coin in hand before committing (as most reputable dealers offer, of course). So far, no-one has tried returning any coins I have sold through eBay auctions (BIN is different) on this basis (i.e they have simply changed their mind) Would really like to know for sure ... if it's true, I will be bidding on auctions like there is no tomorrow, knowing all I have to do is cancel within 14 days - to the annoyance of the seller and the auction house no doubt!!! It CAN'T be right, surely?

It has plenty of eye appeal ... lol. My grading, for what it's worth, would be GVF I would like a ruling on this 14 day return thing, is it law, does it come under distance selling, I am sure it doesn't apply to eBay auctions for example, there is no 'cooling off period', and you can only return auction items if they are deemed to be 'not as described' ... anyone have the sure knowledge? Surely everyone would be at it, buying an auction item online, not being able or bothered to view it 'in hand' before the auction, and then saying, within 2 weeks, 'no, I don't want it after all, please refund me' - that can't be how things are??

As you recently succinctly put it Stu, there are really only 2 things to consider - eye appeal and price. I agree that grading is much harder and subjective with hammered, but I do not think that there is no place for it at all! Having said that, the older the coin, the more I tend to ignore others' opinions and simply judge the coin in my eyes vs others I have seen, and the price on offer ... the challenge very often being, can you trust the pics you are presented with (are they good enough, or possibly enhanced or hiding a defect) - very often you cannot see the coin in hand before committing. Is that right what Mark has said, if you bid on-line you can return an item for a refund within 14 days??? If so, I am surprised, and did not know that!

Thanks Dave! It's important to know these things, it's not as if you can return them if not happy with the grading is it!

Nor did anyone else. That's why it was unsold. They were all overgraded. Further to this, I have found the catalogue entry where this coin was previously sold at Lockdales in November 2011 (for £1000 hammer). On this occasion the coin was described as NEF! Do Lockdales have a reputation for over-grading (I have never used them)?

It most certainly is, not sure he's gonna appreciate being referred to in the feminine sense!!

Yep, Rob's the 'go-to' guy on many coins

Hammered chaps, have you seen this? Surprised at the lack of responses from those 'in the know' ...

Indeed so, I couldn't care less that some of the Yanks have their knickers in a twist about it! ... or should that be 'I could care less', as some Americans inexplicably say! I don't think they are arguing over the word 'Godless', simply questioning whether the 1849 could also be referred to as 'Gothic' ... but it really matters not!

Not for me, it makes for a handy distinction! Just wondered what the PCGS mob were getting so hot-under-the-collar about!

Exactly, are some saying that the lettering is the crucial determining factor? Why is this under 'unlisted varieties' by the way?

It doesn't have the year in Roman numerals, but otherwise it's pretty much the same design as the Gothic florins ... in my view it's both Godless and Gothic, can't really see why it wouldn't be! What is unpleasant about the PCGS conversations VS?

Hi Peter, a very warm welcome to the Forum. This is not my area at all, but there are several on here who will be able to help you with authenticity and attribution. If genuine (of course), I would say these 2 coins would be worth considerably more than the valuation from 12 years ago. The latest Spink price guide gives the Cnut coin at £300 (in VF) (this is a very rough guide as there is a lot of regional variation with these coins, and rarer dies/mints/moneyers may command a premium). The same price guide has the Eadgar coin at £550 and upwards (in VF, depending on variety). I'm sure others will give you more detail!

That's a nice benchmark Rob, and already had the images for reference. I'm under no illusions, the coin I am considering is VF at best

Umm ... Your knowledge is astounding, as is often the case. This is why I love this period in English history, One of the major reasons for having coins at all was to pay the troops, look at what happened with James II Gun Money! Guess it's only genuine antique stuff from 350+ years ago after all ...

For those that are interested, this is how the coin was last attempted to be sold at auction, at Lockdales A111 Jan 2014. It's probable that at the time this coin (and many others in the collection) were over-priced, allowing for commission etc: Wouldn't grade it GVF myself, but still learning with hammered, and will be for some time!