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That looks stranges. It appears to me that the slabbed coin is a cameo, whereas the naked coin is a regular strike...

It is the same coin indeed. You can see that by comparison of the toning

Mit Natron abgerieben. translation: the coin has been cleaned with sodium hydrocarbonate

British India 1/4 Anna 1928 George V Austria 2 Heller 1897 Franz Joseph

1 Pfennig 1935 A Jaeger No. 313 Bronze

5 Pfennig 1921 E Jaeger No. 297 steel, sheradised 3 Mark 1922 F Jaeger No. 303 aluminium

1/2 Mark 1913 F Jaeger No. 16 0.900 silver 1/2 Mark 1915 E Jaeger No. 16 0.900 silver

The mysterious goal in Wembley stadium??

most European collectors do not care about (or want) TPG anyhow so there will be no discussion

Lets talk about commemoration... Today, 25 years ago the wall in Berlin has fallen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-4jPZnZjac Germany has not issued a commemorative coin for that occasion... This was done by the Vaticane State instead

Well... it is because of the two big wars in the 20th century. In my opinion the Great (in German First World) War was initiated by all(!) European Powers. The Second World War was a direct consequence of the first one. War is a part of politics, politics is dirty and cruel. For the latter World War Germany has definately to take responsibility. The responsibility is to look very critical at any militaristic, pseudo-herioc and fundamentalistic behavior/development. The moto is "never let this happen again"! War rememberence in Germany is (and should be) always commemorating the fallen and oppressed human beings, not "heroic victories in various battles during the long history of mankind".

Ordered all of them a few minutes ago. Need them of course in order to keep our manuscript up to date... But... Waterloo, Battle of Britain, Royal Navy... That is quite militaristic, isn´t? There is a certain development in British commemorative coinage, which can be observed for Russian commemorative coin motifs as well quite often. But for British coins, the selection of designs with military subject/motifs looks unusual to me. In Germany an emmision of such an amount of commemorative coinage dealing with war/military topics would cause a public outcry...

I see :-)

Not familiar with that kind of gold coins

In my view this coin is over graded (the silver coin). That is my personal opinion. The description vf-ef in this particular case has nothing to do with continental way of grading coins. Either you agree with the sellers opinion (buy then) or you disagree. In latter case you do not buy. This is the only thing you can do :-)

In case you purchased that coin I would suggest, that you send the coin back and request a refund. I would judge on a coins grade by looking at a high resolution picture and never relay on descriptions.

might be interesting for one of you. I can not participate, because the seller does send to a UK address only. http://www.ebay.de/itm/361078064879?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Cheers Christoph

Prussia AKS 103, 0.220 silver, minted 1861-1873 1 Silbergroschen 1873 A

Terrific condition, indeed... Notable is that coins of small diameter show die cracks quite often. The pressure per square area is quite high for smaller dies, so they have a shorter life time compared to dies with an higher surface. by the way, the currency system in most German states at this time was non-decimal as well. In Prussia the Groschen was equal to 12 Pfennig (Pennies). 30 Groschen were one Taler

Prussia AKS 103, 0.220 silver, minted 1861-1873 1 Silbergroschen 1867 A

1 Pfennig 1917 F 1 Pfennig 1917 J

1 Pf, Jaeger No. 300, Aluminium, minted 1916-1918 1 Pfennig 1917 A 1 Pfennig 1917 E planchet flaw

50 Pf, Jaeger No. 310, Aluminium-Bronze, minted 1923-1924 50 Rentenpfennig 1924 D the dies clashed together prior mintage of that coin, so detail of the obverse design can be seen on the reverse

1 Pf, Jaeger No. 376, copper plated steel, minted 1948-1949 1 Pfennig 1949 J

5 DM, Jaeger No. 387, 0.625 silver, minted 1951~1974 5 Deutsche Mark 1968 F