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Just rechecking the photos, it looks groat-sized or Matteo has very small, lady-like, hands?

Interesting, but wouldn’t you cast copies from a real coin, rather than go to all the troubles of making up punches and getting the legends ‘spelled’ out all wrong?

Most of the people who lived by groats in that period couldn’t even read, let alone decipher legends and fonts. As an aside, it was only a couple of hundred years later in the Jacobean period that they were uncertain enough of the previous monarch’s coinage that they felt the need to scratch Elizabeth’s shillings with X often XII so they weren’t mistaken for other denominations (my theory anyway). Also, how many of the later generations (say the Elizabethans) would recognise a genuine 200 year old groat from a forgery, when there are coin collectors today that make that mistake over and over again on eBay? We’d have to consider that the OP coin (if it’s a contemporary forgery) may even have been made to fool an Elizabethan audience? I feel pretty certain it would’ve stood up even in early medieval England anyway...just thinking out loud.

Exactly so...I also remember that video on here.

I wonder if it’s a contemporary forgery? It looks to be masquerading as a London coin if the LON in the outer quadrant of the reverse is taken into account?

@Sword Shocking!

I’d question that, Dave, the monarch was definitely seated on a throne for that date, and that denomination!

Wow, never knew that!

Agreed, I’ve sold raw coins to enthusiastic collectors that I wouldn’t want back for half the price I sold them for. A common feature of being new to the hobby that grates.

More effort is made in packaging meat for supermarkets, Craigy! Sword’s disclaimer taken from a TPGC’s Ts & Cs speaks volumes for me.

I think you’ll be fine. This is the best feature of slabbing, that the coins are carefully decontaminated on arrival at the TPGC to remove all detrimental pollutants, before sealing them up in a perfect vacuum, preserving them in a fixed state for all time.

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Oh, Jesus, Dave, you do dig them out. ‘N’ for NHS (I ask you ), Numistacker, Numpty, Noob...just wow! Is it Numistacker or Numis Taker? Money taker or piss taker? Hmmmm

Are London Coins SO bad? One can only presume they’d be happy to have it slabbed as such?

Even in all my milled ignorance was just about to post NO way too!

I’m no expert on these things, but with only the most basic of searches I’d say the punches stand up. As Rob says, and I agree, the F in FRA is clogged or weak. I’m genuinely surprised at the variety of dies and diversity of punches for a singular and well-known ‘type.’ The copper streak concerns me...but would make me think contemporary forgery, rather than modern fake, and I’m not convinced it’s either. In-hand assessment and weight will be the biggie here! Really interesting coin.

I think the bust and crown punches are likely from the same die-maker as this genuine one. The OP coin could be a contemporary c’feit though, looking at the copper showing through? Difficult from photos.

I’ve had a couple of pewter groats from his reign, will look them out.

It hasn’t been photographed that well, to be honest, I would ordinarily stay clear of something that looks like that. However, I’d 100% take it as what it says it is coming from John...plus you could always send it back if you weren’t happy!

Ah, yes, I agree, but there are many damaged examples that would lend themselves to this quite cheaply...plugged coins also spring to mind

Oooooh, an Elizabeth I shilling, now that would be good in a silver case.

That was the point of the post

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