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Ha ha, that really made me smile, brilliant! I’m so glad I asked 😊 Imagine at a coin club telling BCWs Chris Comber he was wrong about an Elizabeth three pence! That will make me chuckle ‘til Christmas and beyond! Thanks for that, Richard, have a great Christmas and a very happy new year! Best, Stuart

Was just reading through a few old posts and stumbled across this one! Of course CC has since died, but did you ever get to show him your coin?

However, extremely frustrating to watch it pass nonchalantly across the screen, leaving one helpless to do anything much about it! A bit like being on planet watch, only to watch helplessly as we screw that up too 🙁

Shocking behaviour...check out both images! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184720682573

Phenomenal coin!

Definitely different lettering for me, especially when compared against Nick’s example.

So how would it be possible to distinguish between the pattern and the proof coin, with all devices being equal? Is that the main enquiry?

Many thanks for this! I too carried out a similar exercise with the LC past sales’ list and, as you point out, the differences are spectacularly small for a phenomenal increase in final value. The way these coins wear and are struck is many, with the example I shared having a much better fringe and front hair band than many GEF examples, confusing the variables of strike, wear, and die condition, much more than usual. I think you’re right re eye-appeal in these middling to better grades, it’s the best guide in the end.

Many thanks 🙏

@pokal02 & @VickySilver much appreciated! VS when you say takes it down to EF, I’m guessing that’s a typo for GEF?

Thanks for the input, ‘Peck.’ The feel for grade overall appears to be around NEF...I wonder if it just shakes shy of that? I could of course be blinded by the light of some of the examples that have rocketed in auction the last couple of years, I’m not sure? What’s your thoughts?

It’s really interesting to hear you say this because I initially thought it could be too marked to be a great coin. Strange how your perception changes in the light of others’ opinions...I can’t see it at all now...maybe it’s all the ‘other’ crowns I’ve looked at in the previous 24hrs that’s done it, I really don’t know? Re the prices you suggest I think that’s true from all I’ve been seeing...I wonder if we’ll soon be seeing these and indeed all collectibles crashing in the aftermath of the long-term recovery from Covid-19? I’m sure that question has been put to the forum endlessly this past year?

Thanks for the insights, John, much appreciated...especially to hear that it outperforms some of the HCs in similar grade, that’s really interesting.

Many thanks, gents...appreciate your input.

For those who have spent more time than I looking at these coins, what’s your thoughts on the level of contact marks for the grade? I realise these are chunky old coins that are seldom seen with good surfaces...However, are these ‘mechanical’ marks too much for you?

What’s the history of this one, Paulus?

Found it...it’s the same one he had for sale early last year. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/13607-counterfeit-elizabeth-i-halfpenny/?tab=comments#comment-190324

Just for clarification, when I say ‘I’ve seen a good number of these around,’ I mean a good number of types of counterfeit E1 halfpennies. There may also be a lot of this particular type around, I don’t know for sure because I haven’t had my eye on it for a couple of years! This one’s for sale by John Newman...IIRC he’s previously had other counterfeit (contemporary or otherwise) hammered for sale, and I think the idea was at the time that they were pretty obvious and he ought to know better. I’ll see if I can track that conversation down...otherwise I’ll have to retract this paragraph.

Happy New Year everyone. See a good number of these around. Contemporary I’d think, certainly not Crown coinage. eBay 353313505402

Lord, I just reread that entire thread 🥴

No other words for it...bloody hell, Paulus!

I wish I could edit the title...it was more a ‘I can’t believe I’m so out of touch that this now achieves 85!’

Exactly the answer I was looking for...thank you so much!

I have been out of the loop for a long time...do I remember it correctly that CGS reconfigured their grading against other grading scales, or was that just a dream I had? Is there a difference between the early and ‘late’ graded CGS pieces? I guess this is the question I’m asking! I’ve always been passionate about hammered, so never closely followed the grading posts!