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I think it's all relative, because we ALL know the importance of eye-appeal! The countermarks are certainly graded but, more important? I'd say equally so!

Tch, what a cheek! I ask you! 310767665988

When you mentioned treasure hunter, south coast, and association in the same breath, I assumed you meant the 'Association' wreck! Oh, dear!

This is getting banded around a lot but I do not actually think he did. From what I understand he might have actually been present and robbed rather than unattended, but I could be wrong. Ahh, right, sincerest apologies, in which case, I've totally misunderstood the situation! All the more stressful for Lloyd then!I wonder if it makes it any easier that it was 'just' stock, rather than a carefully compiled private collection? I hope so!

Whats the W3?Sorry, Asumel, William III

Just to add...most the Association coins were W3 though, weren't they? Agreed re the piece of 8 coins, very attractive! Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

My every sympathy goes out to Lloyd, it must be terrible to experience that! I just can't get over the fact he left the stock unattended in the car though?I've always hated transporting my own coins around, because even stopping to pick up a pint of milk at the garage has me ladened like a mule to do so! The number of occasions where we've (my wife and I) sacrificed doing something together, because the other has to wait patiently in the car with the locks down, is beyond counting! Poor Lloyd though!

The submitter could well be the TPGC itself? You know how CGS love to rattle out those mint state 1967 pennies!

I 100% know what you're saying, Rob, but there are just some things in life that you either elect to do, or not do, as the case may be, regardless of the financial rewards! I can think of a couple of totally above-board things I could've done over the years, and could still do, to improve my own financial status, but choose not to live a parasitic life!Oh, man, these TPGC's have really got me unusually twisted...I need wine! Sorry, more wine!

My set-up is by all accounts overkill, and was around £700! I think the body, if that's the correct term, is about the cheapest SLR on the market...I wanted it to slap a big macro lens on, which cost more than the body, and that was second-hand too! To be fair it is definitely overkill, as I only use around 1% of its features, and don't truly understand the ones I use!

That is just hilarious, sad in fact!

Crikey, I don't think I could even leave £50k unattended in a car, it would be too life changing to lose them! I would expect that some coins will soon turn up, and the light-fingered one/ones be brought to bear! I hope it works out OK for Lloyd! Something else to think on. Some friends of ours recently bought a car that turned out to be stolen...car taken away, no money returned! You've got to feel sorry for any out there who may now be buying stolen coins inadvertently, and having to ultimately forfeit the coin AND most likely their money! We'll have to get the list up soon!

I've not read through all the above thoroughly, but it only takes an arse like Liam Gallagher to suddenly think 'I want to be a falconer' or 'I'm going to buy medieval gold' (because he's just watched a new movie), and hundred's of thousands can be spent without any concern, research, OR care! London 'Art' Galleries, and Designer outlets depend upon said human behaviour!

I have just finished my fourth Picture Book for children...does that count? Been completing the illustrations in the small hours, the only time I've got for such things; very nearly ready to pack them all off to the big guns! The Pumpy Grottum has turned out to be one of my favourite characters, with 'Moley and the Treetop Cafe' my favourite story! It's good to hear about life outside collecting! I didn't know you were a kids' book illustrator Stuart? Perhaps we should ask Chris to set up a new forum, "What We Do When We're Not Collecting". I'm an amateur photographer but the members of that forum are far more talented than I, so I'm a bit shy there (no, no, really..). As we're talking about life outside coins and outside coin books, I'll mention that I too have written a chidren's book, entitled 'A Calamity of Clutterbucks', including the illustrations. But getting it mainstream published is another matter. I also help my other half with self publishing her poetry books - I do the 'typesetting' and cover designs etc. - she does the poetic stuff.Otherwise, I have an old Volvo P1800 that takes time and money on a grand scale to keep running, a garden that takes too much time and I play a Surdo (big bass drum) in a Samba band. My other great interest is songwriting, for which I have a Yamaha Motif synthesiser - so far 9 written and just one to go before I find a singer and go to the local studio to record them. Oh, this is brilliant, what a great title, Dave, I really like the starting point!I'm going to upload some band pictures of me, when I was about 20... We recorded a couple of demos and sent then to Fiction Records with some interest from them...but not enough, of course, as we're not today gigging alongside The Cure! My greatest love of 10 years ago was flying! I so desperately wanted to solo in a Spitfire (plane, not car) when I was younger, that I learned to fly! Greatest shock was the 2K fee for HALF an hour in a Spitfire (accompanied too)! I gave up the dream of WW2 fighter ace, but still wheeled around the skies in a Piper Warrior II in the peace and tranquility of my own company!

Agreed, they always look washed-out, at least the best that I can capture them on 'film'! Odd, isn't it, how certain coins can be 'read' beyond the image...thank goodness too!

Hey, thanks, Peck...truly appreciated! They say there's a novel in all of us, I've written 2 over the years, which I now call my 'education'! Interestingly, one was about C1 and Henrietta fleeing the land with hoards of coins, even before my major interest in coins, and long before Shardlake and the present trend in historical novels! The gold and silver, meant for france, was finally buried on Steep Holme, where it still remains today! Don't forget to finish YOUR novels one day!

Aren't four of those the same thing? Still, there's always fishing... However, I do take an occasional interest in the fortunes of Sunderland, so what can I say...think I'll keep it zipped!

Just to clear up a small detail! As much as I would like to proclaim it, I'm not a published children's author OR illustrator...I am however just about to submit my first 4 books (with my own illustrations) to half a dozen agents! I've been writing Am. Dram. Plays and other writingy things, since I was around 20...I used to write for a falconry publication in the early 90's but oddly never really pursued writing as a career! So, now's the time, and I'm giving it my biggest hit, so finger's crossed! Move over Julia Donaldson!

Hah, there'll be no stopping me, you can be sure to get the full whack once they're scanned!

I have just finished my fourth Picture Book for children...does that count? Been completing the illustrations in the small hours, the only time I've got for such things; very nearly ready to pack them all off to the big guns! The Pumpy Grottum has turned out to be one of my favourite characters, with 'Moley and the Treetop Cafe' my favourite story!

I saw that.Makes up for missing the martlet penny yesterday that sold for £24

Thanks, gents, much appreciated! On the subject of overmarks, I got lucky tonight with what looks to be a PM Rose/Cross-Crosslet penny! Can't say as I've ever seen a rose penny on the 'bay before, especially nice to find the overmark variety! Edit: does have a tiny chip though!

I guess what I had in my head was the freeman catalogue, where a hammered E1 Halfgroat PM (as they are undated) would be the equivilent of a year-date, and maybe a PM overmark equivilent to say a wide-date/narrow-date, open 3 maybe? Reverse lis and lion differences etc, similar to lighthouses and trident details, possibly, and perhaps legend variations at least equivilent to O'NE etc? With an F number, do people consider their acquisition a major variety, or a combination of major AND minor varieties?

Isn't that what sniping is? You don't have to use a sniping tool! Fair enough - I'm a sniper too then. [whine of bullet overhead] this is like one of those old gce questions.my answer would be fred and jim......... and if that aint right its 37 miles in 45 minutes Wrong - the answer is "third party with more money than sense waltzes in and gets both lots" True, true! But it's still technically illegal, like copying a DVD you bought to your own computer But I can totally understand that! What I can't get my head around is paying more for something out of stupidity! And even more so that it's illegal to use your grey matter in such instances! It would be equivilent to me saying 'you should go to a particular website, so you can buy your washing machine cheaper there', and some town councillor having the right to penalise me for directing funds to another district! I'd feel more wrong, ethically speaking, if I knew someone was going to bid £1000 for an item, and I knew I only had £950 in my pocket to bid with, but bid anyway...that kind of technically crosses over into shill bidding doesn't it? The law would have to saysomething like 'it's illegal to talk to your buddy about coins in the lead up to any given auction, just in case you should accidentally stumble across information about your shared hobby/interest which forces you into an impossible situation of either inadvertently ringing or shilling the auction'!

Would you call a Privy Mark/overmark a 'major' variety? To give an example...Elizabeth Halfgroats! There are six different busts, which I can happily call major types! However, there are also 19 Privy Marks, a beaded inner-circle, a wire-line inner circle, 4 Privy Overmarks, plus 3 PM bell coins with pellets behind the bust, no pellets behind the bust, and pellets over II behind the bust. A grand total, if you total them up as PM Cross-Crosslet with bust 1G, PM Cross-Crosslet with bust 3F, PM Martlet with 1G, and so on, of 32 known Halfgroat coins for the E1 series! Would you say ALL 32 are major varieties? How different does something have to be to be considered major? I haven't included legend variations or legend errors, as I'm automatically assigning these as minor varieties, but should I even be doing that? Of interest, when you look at the LIS, lions, shields, and general die-pairings, etc, there are 73 recorded types (so far). Should THESE be treated as major varieties, being so distinctly different?