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60 bux is enough for the mule

I have 2 with JEB, 1 UNC and the other in EF. Got the EF for €8 :-)

Well according to the CCGB book it was withdrawn because it was to similar in design to the half sovereign, it says at least 1 person was charged with gold pating the sixpence in order to pass it off as a half sovereign, so perhaps a small mintage before it was withdrawn

I have 2 of these, 1 in UNC and the other EF in the CCGB book Chris has it at between 125 and 200 for UNC and 75 for EF Spink has 250 UNC and 115 EF

How about a book on fakes and how to spot them :-)

I did see that to Rob, but did you also notice the double cut in the 1st 1 in the date?

We're definately asking more questions than we're answering about this coin. So lets ask this question. I can take this coin back tomorrow and get my €80 back for it, or i could keep it, maybe get it professionally looked into and at the end of it all i could have the fake i thought it was or have a 1 off or unrecorded error. As a collector i want to follow through and hopefully find out that it could well be a piece of history, on the other hand, being unemployed right now the €80 would be spent on something else. If i sent it off to the Royal Mint or some other professional body, will it cost me money for them to check it out and give me the final diagnosis?

The other reason i'm sceptical about it being an unrecorded error is that it's not like there's a dot missing here or an E/F or something, we're talking about a whole die axis, which to me is quite a huge error, like for instance the 20p dating errors, its not a minute error where it was hard to detect.

Although a completely different era the 1943 english shilling is recorded by Davies to exist with a 180 deg rotation and I have a 1948 penny with a rotation of just under 180 deg. Gary I understand what you're saying Gary, the reason i think it's fake is that the coin is 1818, yours is 1943 and recorded, this is 125 years older and if genuine, unrecorded, hence my problem at thinking it could be an unrecorded error, but i'm strolling along with the theory in the back of my head for now, also i think Chris checked Davies yesterday and didn't see anything

Yeah thats what i meant lol. Or perhaps i could go down the Royal Mint route as you suggested yesterday, that way i'd get a definate yes or no, you'd maybe have to send me details of how i go about that.

What we should be asking is, has anyone ever heard of a 180 degree die error, surely if there was one there would be more and would be recorded by now? Excuse my cynisism but am still annoyed that i believe i bought a fake, although the seller only live 10 mins from me and have already emailed him about the coin, so i won't be out of pocket either way. I think i'll take it to a numismatic in the morning and see what he says.

reverse view

Front side

Spoke to Chris about this, he thinks it might be a very good contempary fake, anyone else with their thoughts, pix are in the other thread. It weighs 13.9gms

Happy Birthday.

Just got it myself...............delete

Viruses tend to go through address books of your email, so someone on the forum has more than likely a virus that they don't know about and it's sending out these emails, just don't open them.

I thought i'd better post this in the relevant place. It started in the (Lots of British coin related discussions, coin aquisition of the week) I posted a picture of the new coin i got yesterday, George III 1818 Halfcrown, after looking at it this morning the die axis did not match and posted in the same topic this morning that it was a fake, bought from ebay. I think it was Gary D who then said "just because the die axis doesn't match doesn't mean it's fake, it could be a rare variety" I would love to think that it is a rare type, but my luck doesn't stretch that far, so could any of you enlighten me, are there any wrong die axis types, the head and the crown are at opposite ends on this one, hence my thought it being a fake. The obv and rev pixs are in the post stated above

There is a K to the left of the shield in between Britannia and the shield

The coin in question was listed in a spink auction in New York last night, was watching 3 and got none :-(

Great Britain. ND (1847) Gothic 1 Crown, Victoria. AU Details, Polished - Damaged. KM-744. S-3883. Boldly detailed with a thin ring of toning around the edges. As is often seen on this type, the surfaces are bright as a result of polishing, but are relatively uniform and attractive in appearance. 3 and 9 o'clock on the obverse appears to show some repairs as the legends has been re-tooled to accentuate the legend detail

You got the sellers name Peter, would like those as well on cd rom

I agree with Chris about postage and insurance from Germany, and the post is much more efficent, although i disagree about sourcing, i think Germany can be cheaper for Gold as the Germans pay by weight and not what type Sovereign it is. I recently seen a 5 pound 1887 go for 700 euros, which is around the 660 pound mark, for a coin that weighs over an ounce i think was a bargain, wish i had the cash for it :-(

Close up of weak strike

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