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Members on the forum now and again post links to useful websites for reading or for other coin related matter. I hope i can start this thread just for links where people can post useful sites for other members, so here is the 1st site, all about forgeries. www.forgerynetwork.com/Default.aspx

Good idea Red, will do it later today as i'm a little busy until later now, but as i said in my post, a full Sovereign has now been faked to, so no doubt the 2 pound will be doing the rounds also. Will bookmark the site and email them later about it. Thanks. Red has given me an idea, when people list links here and there all over the forum, these tend to get lost, so my new idea is, a useful links thread which i'll start with Reds link to the forgery website. Thanks again Red

And the REV

This was an ongoing discussion perhaps a month or 2 back, so i'm hoping that anyone who finds any can start posting their pictures here so we can all see what we are looking for. I shall start with a modern fake that i bought from a DEALER no less, and have subsequently learnt that a Sovereign of this series has been faked also, so be aware. This is the Half Sov Proof 1937. I had done a lot of research on this (albeit after i bought the coin) and found a guy who had written an ebay guide on fakes. He looked at the forum where i had initially posted the coin and he initially though there was a lot of paranoia about it until a friend of his has told him that he'd recently come across and full Sov that was faked. I sent him hi res pics and he in turn sent them to guy who had a full original set of these. I got an email back a few days later saying it was DEFINATELY 100% fake. I had already sent the coin back because there was to many questions about it, so please be aware that these are being faked, along with the full Sov of the series.

A link to a genuine 1937 http://www.cruzis-coins.com/sovs/19372GB.html i have been making comparisons to this against the uploaded REV photo, what strikes me is the paws/claws on the site picture, the 1st paw on the uploaded picture seems to have a bubble just below the claws, the 2nd paw on the uploaded pic seems fatter also.

And the REV

Here is a few pics i have taken on the subject, i've made hi res because of the subject

The 2nd I in Victoria looks like an Inverted 1

It may be coincidence, but in checking my copy of Jaeger, there are only two examples known of the 1933-J (Hamburg mint) 1 Reichsmark coin. Anyone know of any other countries with a similar rarity from that year? That maybe a coincidence due to the Nazis coming to power and changing the coinage, the 5 reichsmark (Martin Luther) J353 from 1933 all have a very low mintage, Berlin Mintmark A minzed the most with only 108,380 coins. Also GaryD has a very good point with the 1933 Penny. I wonder what they knew in 1933 that we're missing

I would'nt know where to start with that Rob, but i would be interested

I've noticed that the 1860 toothed/beaded mule farthing isn't listed in the new guide

How the last 1933 Double Eagle survives to this day is part of the fascination with this rare coin. In 1944, agents for Egypt's King Farouk -- an eccentric collector of stamps, aspirin bottles, old razor blades and coins -- applied for an export license for a 1933 Gold Double Eagle. As the result of a Treasury Department oversight, Egypt was granted the license and a 1933 Double Eagle was housed in the private collection of King Farouk, one of the greatest coin collectors of all time. It wasn't until a few weeks after the license was signed that suddenly everyone realized the mistake. The coin was illegal to own, and in fact clearly had been stolen from the U.S. Mint, but the contemporaneous political climate stymied attempts to retrieve it. In 1944, the US was in the middle of a world war, and Egypt stood at the crossroads in the middle of the Mediterranean. It was not the right moment in diplomatic history to go and try to make a claim on a coin, but the coin detectives waited until 1952, when Farouk was overthrown to get it back. In 1954, King Farouk's 1933 Double Eagle turned up in Cairo at a state-held auction of the deposed king's coin collection. The U.S. government recognized that the 1933 Double Eagle was in that collection, and they officially asked the Egyptian government to pull it from the sale and return it as stolen property of the United States. Although the coin was withdrawn, it was not returned and authorities lost track of it for more than 45 years. The coin disappeared... Found, lost and found again In 1996, British coin dealer Stephen Fentonbrought brought the coin to the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City, to sell to an American collector. Federal agents, posing as coin collectors, seized the 1933 Double Eagle in a successful sting operation and while it cannot be proven with absolute certainly, it is believed that this coin is the same 1933 Double Eagle from King Farouk's prized collection. Fenton was put in jail, but he soon got out and went to court in order to battled the U.S. government over ownership of the coin. Meanwhile the coin itself was stored in what authorities thought was a secure location: a vault at the World Trade Center.

The great depression possibly

Here's one that was recently listed on ebay. I think its the rotation and picture, this one seems to have the same nose as the 1st one i posted. See what you think

The line of the nose in my 1st picture looks far to straight, maybe its the rotation of the coin in relation to how the picture was taken, i've no idea. Is there any recorded fakes of these? I have'nt heard of any, but thats not to say that they don't exist

And since then 10 more have come to light. "from the family of Philadelphia jeweler Israel Switt, the illicit coin dealer identified by the Secret Service as a party to the theft who admitted selling the first nine double eagles recovered a half century earlier. In September 2004, the coins' ostensible owner, Joan S. Langbord, voluntarily surrendered the 10 coins to the United States Secret Service. In July 2005, the coins were authenticated by the United States Mint, working with the Smithsonian Institution, as being genuine 1933 Double Eagles. Currently, the coins are held at Fort Knox under lock and key. After the announcement that the US Secret Service had recovered the coins and that they had been authenticated, Ms. Langbord publicly claimed that she inherited the coins from her father via legal means, and continues to threaten a federal suit concerning the surrendered coins. To that effect, Langbord has apparently retained the services of the attorney, Barry Berke, who represented Fenton with the only monetized 1933 Double Eagle." from Wikipedia. the case is still in court. Also it is no longer the most expensive coin in the World. Recently a 1794 dollar sold for record $7.85M: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37265346/ns/today-money/ A very interesting story though for the $20 i thought

http://www.fleur-de-coin.com/articles/mostexpensivecoin.asp

Been looking around and found these, am just wondering if either of these are genuine? The nose is really bugging me. The left hand photo, the nose looks really strange and seems to stand out compared to the right hand picture, both noses are very different IMO. Is one fake? Anyone got a Marsh book, does it have the 1937 Half Sov proof in for a comparison

Then maybe Vicky you will like one i purchased recently, 1849 Godless Florin with the 9 very poorly struck, its in the coin aquisition of the week thread, still waiting on it coming though

Dunno what book you are looking at, but the the ESC (English Silver Coinage) book has dies for the 1873 Florin going up to 262 and states they may go higher, so yours will be recorded

Die numbers have really no bearing, only grades.

Yes i've been watching it Russ, you keep dropping it people will be waiting till it goes to a pound mate.

Watch out, he may tickle your hand, do a backflip and stick his finger in his ear and expect you to do your secret handshake to

I'd save it for a rainy day, add to it, and maybe sometime in the future the copper price go higher, but if the wife is not to happy with it at home, then bury it in the back garden but don't forget where it is. How have you got on with the 1901, any takers? anything from Spink?

Danke. I can now sleep tonight