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Yeah... possibly the 4 as well! Maybe by his maths, its a dollar a year... I wouldn't be surprised if it sells though. Here in the US there is a huge "age premium" for coins that you don't see in most of Europe and condition matters less with US collectors than British ones. Even 19th century coins sell for $$ based on their age, and any coins in fine/very fine condition dating from the early 1900s or before are considered to be in excellent condition. If you buy early milled or hammered coins form a US seller you end up paying much more than you would from a British dealer simply because of the age. Even an incredibly worn Victoria penny will easily sell for $3+ just because most Americans view it as ancient. Best get all that shite out of the jar and get it on ebay

Ok, i'll ask this question. I've seen a gilded 1688 sixpence, obviously rare, but the gilding is going to be the problem part of selling it on. Is there any way to remove the gilding safely from the coin, or is it just a non starter?

Perhaps we could just start a different thread for the Pennies, that way now one would get annoyed at the amount of penny collectors

I don't aleays do shiny pennies Peter, if i could affird the slender 3 type market then am sure my Collection would have more depth to it, in fact just tiday i bought ab 1874 wide date but cleaned penny only because it was high grade. I can't help what i find at a decent price, such as my recent 1872 Penny. When your collection starts getting to become high grade then thats what you get used to, but when my date run eventually comes to an end, then i'll be looking towards rarities in ehat Grades i can find

Amen to that Derek

I did'nt realise this was "have a dig at Dave Week" i've Added iit to My calemdar so i can bring My party hat Next year. In answer ti your question Peter although an obvious flaw in that question As we all know that copper pennies started in 1860, so quite an unfair advantage, so Let's ask it differently as i believe a penny is a penny whatever metal it is, so whats been around longer, the penny ir the farthing? So in answer to a decent question, My oldest PENNY in ANY metal would be 1743, but whats been around longer? (game set and match) methinks me old farthing collector

Its a disc so will be worth nowt

Its a disc so will be worth nowt

Peck, i'm still interested in that North book you have

I'm not a dealer Mike, i'm an engineer by trade and cutting metal As we speak

My personal thought on that Rob is that the only people who could answer that question are the people who have actually got one or have had one to study. Maybe Bernie Workman or Michael Gouby are the best people to answer that.

I believe a die 4 sold for 10s of thousands, yes Mile, it was also a disc just like the slender 3 disc that sold for 22k, but discs are'nt worth sheeeeet right Mike

Now Let's see, if you Found a "disc Penny" with a die number under the date, with a value in the 10s of thousands, would it still be a disc and would it then Find a space in the collection tray? I guess i know the answer for some of you ladies, it obviously would'nt Be given house room due to it being a worn disc penny

I think someone has been drinking one to many sherberts

Is it Not One of those Greek fakes?

Whilst I realise their rarity might make them an attractive proposition to some, for me, they're just not worth sticking in a collection tray. i emailed the ebay seller alfnail this morning regarding the grade of his 63 open 3, he said it was in Fine grade, it sold for 560 GBP 6 weeks ago

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet" 11 to 20 known i think i read, probably rarer that the 1903 open 3, so you may be quite correct in your statement John, one sold recently on ebay by alfnail, think it was AVF or less, went for 500-600 quid or there abouts, let us know when its on fleabay

Open 3?

Dave You said Brianscoins won the original auction. Did i?, soory, i meant winning. You have email.

Its the same one, still has a day or so to go, brianscoins is the winning bidder so far, but his other mate has won 5 of his auctions this week so far and is winning almost every other of his auctions apart from the wreath

Well cleaned! Is that our friend? He gives a new meaning to "cleaning up". Yup it is, so its the bestest coin of that year you'll ever see, until he gets another that is and drops it in the silver dip by accident etc etc etc That one wasn't dipped! Silver dip leaves a dull appearance, but that one has been well and truly polished. Dipped/polished, its never in a million years seen aunc

Well he apparently knows more than CGS to, slabbed coin by them He Sold last week, according to him was better than the CGS attribution, even in a slab he can attribute it far better than CGS could with a raw coin. He is an amazing man

You may well be right. It's difficult to be certain of the situation simply by looking at the bidding and the feedback (or lack of it). Maybe informing buyers (if they can be identified) afterwards is the way to spread the knowledge. At least half a dozen of the coins currently on offer come from last week's Spink auction and have all been overgraded by MP. Lol, Nick, EVERYTHING he gets is upped by at least 1 grade so he can rip the arse out of the coin, it may take years for some of those coins to actually be valued at what these poor people will eventually pay, it's a bit like negative equity in housing, but just in coins now.............Honestly i wish peo´ple would waken up, and before anybody sticks their oar in, i know its not you or i being ripped off, but this makes an arse of the whole collecting scene and might piss people off enough to just give up collecting Th wiining bidder of the wreath is brianscoins, so bidders can always be identified

The problem being Tom is his constant overgrading to enhance the price, as we've seen before from him regarding an 1869 penny he sold at the beginning of the year, bought as an EF from auction, listed as UNC by him, there's quite a difference in price between those 2 grades, he paid EF book price at auction and made a grand because he upped the grade. How he can get away with calling that wreath crown AUNC when its blatantly poloished and a huge dig in the OBV and a rim nick is beyond me, some people really want ripping off from him thats for sure Regarding this particular buyer Nick, he has bought a few things from MP, including the 1869 i have mentioned, although i heard through the grapevine he sent it back because MP had upped the grade, someone had pointed him to the auction where MP bought it from This is how contacts are made, how did surrey coins and victoria bronze also get mixed up in the shill bidding with him? Strange why someone would bid and win on all but 1 auction of his though

If you look at Mr Ps other auctions, the same person is winning 99% of them, i wonder how many he ACTUALLY wins, if any I'm not saying he's a shill bidder, buttttttttttttttttttt