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Ok, i'm a simple man with simple wishes, so any from these 2, or can i be greedy and have them both

If we are in fantasy mode, will Father Xmas bring me one of these please? Ceonwulf penny David Damnnnnn thats a nice coin, and how well preserved my god

In the hands of certain ebay sellers, probably AUNC

Thats just Mrs Peters husband

The buyers in the salerooms have been both UK & US. The demand is quite deep rooted now with a lot of new entrants to the market. A good demonstration of this is given by bidder numbers at the various houses. In the last 5 or 6 years the number or registered clients has at least doubled. It is this base which is responsible for the price hikes. More people have more money (than a decade ago) and given the financial instability, you might as well take a punt and lose it because all governments are guaranteed to *** it up against the wall for you. What they don't have or know about, they can't take. In these uncertain finacial times i cannot see how people have more money. My old workplace in the UK have not had a wage rise in 4 years, they are always letting people go, higher fuel prices etc is always eating away at the middle classes pockets, so i'm stumped as to where the big money is coming from, hence my view that a normal working class hobbiest cannot sustain large price hikes in UNC coins and will inevitably drop a grade to try and keep their collection ticking over. Lets bear in mind that not all collectors come from London or Manchester where there is higher salaries. There is hobbiests all over who must be feeling the squeeze with lower salaries and higher living costs, hence my view that the VF+ and EF grades will eventually rise due to these factors

I'm not so sure about the collectors of UNC coins running out of money in the near future. Most collectors are people who live within their means and tend to have a bit of spare cash lying around. To buy lower grades in order to continue acquiring at the same rate doesn't fit the collecting mentality. If you want high grade coins you will continue to collect them. A collection is typically made up of a long term set of purchasing decisions. Some coins you will overpay for, others will be cheap, but in the long run things will even themselves out. It might possibly happen when the wants list is reduced to a handful of coins which they haven't a cat in hells chance of affording and the desire to complete is overwhelming, but otherwise I think most collectors will stay focussed. Sorry, probably mis interpreted what i was saying, i meant, those who would normally try and take a stab at UNC coins might drop down a grade in order to continue their collection, sooner or later UNCs are going to be beyond some of us, depending on what we collect. Auction house prices have been double or even triple book (my assuption is that it's the Americans snapping these up to slab to make quick profit) Orrrrrrrrrr perhaps out dear Spink has been undervaluing our coins for quite some time, and the preverbiale sheeeet might hit the fan sooner or later

In response to Geoffs last post there regarding the VF+ grade rising slower, i'd suggeat that eventually that will change soon also. Why? Well eventually the normal collector will not be able to afford the big prices for the UNCs coins and so i rhink those VF.+ and EFs will eventually become more popular when collectors See that some of those UNCs are just a little out of their reach or what they are willing to pay for a coin. Or they will perhaps only buy a few coins per year because they have to save longer for something they partikularly want.

However you look at it, it's bloody ugly and definately man made regardless of what the seller says. I've NEVER seen a Viccie penny tone like that naturally. Also if its one of his favourite coins how come he's failed to spot its actually a Penny and not a Halfpenny in his listing title, yeah uh huh

Hi Mark, definately not a known variety, but that looks definately like an A to me, the coin itself is very nice. Trouble being there is obviously no price guide for something like this, so best hold onto it until hopefully a few others turn up. I'm off to check mine now

My motto is, if you like it, buy it, f**k what anyone else says and thinks

Any chance you can give the details of why its rare and perhaps the date of it etc?

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Bought this today, comments on the possibility of a F164A. Sorry for the poor pic, gallery picture for now

Spink 2012 will be due out soon. Anyone any thoughts on what might move upwards. My guess is that Maundy sets might see a larger than average increase. Pennies i've noticed recently on ebay have been shite, or maybe its just coins in general on ebay, but prices seem to be less than average on there right now. Bulk silver and gold seems to be doing well, maybe thats what people are throwing their money at right now. Any thoughts?

even more frustrating Dave, is at auction and you've the cash for a coin....but somebody else has more There's always someone with deeper pockets

Collecting is more a marathon than a sprint boomstick, and it can also be damn frustrating, especially when there's a coin avaliable that you want but have no cash

Yo still have the receipt?

Like all dogs Peter, you get the scraps. Dogs love the bones anyway, keeps the fur silky smooth. (Gimme a paw son) Roll over let me tickle your tummy Its obvious that if he was allowed to bid and he's not in the UK you have'nt done the postage restrictions properly. Better to cancel the auction and sort out the postal restrictions first then relist.

or open(.....) i will ask him what might interest me Why ask HIM what might interest YOU? He'll tell you every piece of junk he can't shift might interest you. Its what interests you Patrick, and no one else

Not sure he can block postage to Poland now that its been bid on Colin, he can't revise it anymore. Peter, you'll have to do as Colin has said after the listing has ended, unfortunately i don't think you can revise the item now its been bidded on

add him to the block list then delete his bid

I have their up coming sale catalogue and also a contact there, i'll take a look and then maybe drop her an email informing her of this atrocity I assume it's someone who's bought from him and thought this is not GVF and could'nt send it back for whatever reason so has decided to sell it on. I have emailed them anyway.

A decent range on offer there across the board for all periods, but I would question some of the grading though. Do they have a reputation for overgrading or not? G,day Rob. Sorry I did not get back to you earlier,I have not looked in for a few days.Regarding the reputation for overgrading, I have not heard one way or the other.I will ask around.I have bought a few things through them but as Tom said they seem to put their reserves & estimates a little high in my opinion.They usually have quite a bit left for sale after the auction. Thanks Joey, but don't bust a gut as I haven't found anything suitable for my needs, so won't be bidding in any case. They do have a Northumberland shilling for sale. VF 600-800 estimate