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Head, brick wall and beating all come to mind, along with groundhogday and circles, eventually its Not BU as stated Even if i said EF, i could have also said VF or Poor but it will still never make the coin BU which when we eventually come Full Circle is what i've been saying all along FFS!!!

Which is still not BU as the seller is stating, even if i'm being harsh at EF,we could go AUNC and its still not BU, so again, i rest My case that its not BU

My case was rested that it was not BU

Yes it's a nice coin and from one who has quite a few of these you are off to a good start, but which one is it? Now there are several 1887 crowns and it is difficult to tell from your photos but you can see on the coin itself; 1) is the plume to the St. George head double struck or double engraved? 2) is the bottom right serif missing on the 1 of the date? 3) what is the distance between the R of VICTORIA and the T of BRITT? The range is from 34.65mm down to 33.59 for the proof. 4) is the top of the first 8 missing? Now that has whetted your interest there are at least ten or more different sizes in the 1887 Crown as the dies were made using a pantograph to reduce from the master plaster mould. As a guess by eye I would say yours if quite close to 34.00 or less. You will need a vernier calliper to measure it and also need to take at least 10 readings to get any meaningful average. All a bit anoraky for most but that's what we are here for isn't it? Sorry at number 3 it should read T of VICTORIA to R in REG Where exactly should it be measured from? Top of the T to top of R, bottom of T to bottom of R?

I understand that Nick, but there must be some other distinguishing feature other than the rim, especially if impaired

You will need a vernier calliper to measure it and also need to take at least 10 readings to get any meaningful average. All a bit anoraky for most but that's what we are here for isn't it? Unless you're an engineer and use a micrometer you can get the exact dia with those without having to measure 10x Ah yes but remember your experiments at school, it is always important to take the readings several times and take an average in order to reduce errors. I have found that even using vernier callipers the readings vary by plus or minus.09mm but if you average 10 readings an accuracy of + or - .01 is achievable. I have toyed with using a USB microscope but I think there would be a loss of accuracy. Any information on these from someone who has one would be helpful The reading will vary accoring to how much pressure your applying to the vernier, you can get 10 different readings if the same pressure is not applied. With a micrometer it has a small ratchet on the end and the same pressure can only be applied until the ratchet and digital reading stops. I now have my own question for you 1887 jubilee, how do you tell proof issue 1887 Crown from a normal currency issue, is it the I's in Victoria pointing to beads?

I rest My case lol

I also had it down as EF.

Its not the figures coinery, its the terrible grading

Its what you'll get ripped for after selling it.

This dealers Grading is terrible 260935041622 VF? Anyone care to take a stab at the grade? 330672861000 BU (Yeah right)

Can you recommend a guide that perhaps reflects real prices achieved at auction? I am intrigued for example why decent gold sovereigns often go for 220-240 at a brick house auction and 280-290 on eBay, seems bizarre to me!

The 3pence Proof i mentioned is at about 100 quid 6hrs to go

Really don't know the answer to your question Nick, 15'026 mintage for each denomination would make them scarce though. A nice Florin there but the scratch accross Georges bust is obviously the reason its aFDC I got mine for 90 quid from our leader Chris Perkins over christmas, a bargain in My eyes

Unfortunately i don't know anyone who's 110 this year or i would have snapped his hand off for it Or you could get this one for an extra 35 quid http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GB-1902-EDWARD-VII-HIGH-TIDE-HALFPENNY-LUSTROUS-UNCIRCULATED-FREE-GLOBAL-S-H-/220929412831?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5673059152812632208

In that case, my 1927 proof florin (aFDC) was a bargain. I bought it last year for under £110. I have noticed that the Spink prices for the 1927 proof coins are bizarre: £375 for the crown, £90 for the halfcrown, £120 for the florin, £60 for the shilling, £45 for the sixpence and £120 for the threepence. Why would the florin be worth more than the halfcrown, and why would the threepence be nearly three times the value of the sixpence? Its all to do with demand i suppose, i watched a Thrrepence about 4 weeks ag on on ebay, the acorns were worn but it was proof issue, it went for 124 quid. I would hate to think what a real proof without wear would do, perhaps 150: In fact go onto ebay look for aspencoins, he's in the USA and a Threepence Proof is finishing tonight, watch and see what it goes for. I also bought about 2 weeks ago a Proof 1911 Halfcrown for $167, a week later another was up for sale, it went for $285, so someone was pissed off lol

In that case, my 1927 proof florin (aFDC) was a bargain. I bought it last year for under £110. I have noticed that the Spink prices for the 1927 proof coins are bizarre: £375 for the crown, £90 for the halfcrown, £120 for the florin, £60 for the shilling, £45 for the sixpence and £120 for the threepence. Why would the florin be worth more than the halfcrown, and why would the threepence be nearly three times the value of the sixpence? AFDC is not quite proof Nick. FDC would be proof. 27 Proof sets are around 1100 Quid in the cases Peck, take a look on ebay just now and you'll see a few there. We need to get our mindset off what Spink says and take a look at what auctions are selling for. Spink also says that the 2 Pence cartwheel is worth 200 quid in VF, would you pay that for a VF cartwheel?

Got one Paul, in Proof, not a poor circulated piece, perhaps wander over to coin aquisition of the week and Take a tissue for the drool

Nick, i dunno where you've been hiding my friend, but 27 florin proofs are topping the 200 quid mark, regardless what Spink says, so if you find any at less than 120, gimme a shout I paid 140 for 1 2 years ago that did'nt turn up and was gutted, but got a nice One now. Maybe also checck out the 27 threepence proofs, also way over spinks valuations, just My tip

Ten sticks of dynamite hanging on a wall Ten sticks of dynamite hanging on a wall And if one stick of dynamite should accidentally fall There'd be no sticks of dynamite and no bleedin' wall (Thrown out of Scout Camp, our Liverpool troop was, for singing that round the campfire). Try the campfire with the French Foreign Legion

Little white gloves also help when handling, i also have an ultrasonic cleaner

Seuk is also a big collector of these types (Not Spanish though) maybe you want to PM him and ask what he has and where he may have bought

Happy birthday to Tomgoodheart and ColinG (old farts) All the best

I've not had much success, probably due to not knowing what type of lacquer was applied. Once the lacquer has gone off and is as hard as nails, many solvents will soften it, but will require a specific solvent to produce the best results. Depending on the lacquer, you might find that any of turps, ethanol, methanol, acetone or any other solvent may work. As there are going to be several formulations in the market place, without knowing which lacquer was used it is difficult to know the appropriate solvent. That was the worry, I know my luck and whilst it is not a stunner, or the most valuable coin it is the best example I have of a scarcer variety.....so I am really hesitant...mmmm thinking time. I would feel like a criminal if I damaged one of my "precious" coins....starting to sound like Gollum now!! If you have any junk farthings Colin, or just any junk copper why not laquer one then try a few things out yourself and see what/if anything works best at removal, or else try Lindner, they sell that sort of stuff, so perhaps a remover also. Or get hold of the wifes nail polish remover, or your own and give that a go to see if it removes it. Just an idea, hopefully something might help

It has been a great thread, does anyone know if we can access the grading companies photographs at all? 60 quid is an aUNC price for my 6d so it's a fair price, but I think I will be hanging on to it as my best example of an Eddie 7 6d type, thanks all the same! I'd do the same TBH Paul, i'd also hang onto the1915 Halfcrown to