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Here's an ad for Michael Howard Coins from the June 1969 edition of Coin Monthly:-

Nice one Richard.

Thanks Jerry.

Not sure how common it was, but I understand it was done to preserve lustre. If so, it's not worked in this case ! Frightening what used to be recommended for coins.

Thanks a lot, Paddy. Very useful observation, work & info. Much appreciated.

Thanks Jon. I can't see any trace of anything in particular. The obverse seems quite shiny, and I'm not entirely sure whether in a natural way or not. There's no trace of lustre on the coin, which you might normally expect for one in a decent state of preservation.

Curious to know as can't find too much definitive information on post lacquering appearance, especially of bronze. The reason I ask is that I bought an 1866 penny in 2010 as a BIN from e bay, which the seller said at the time "showed signs of old lacquering". Because the coin was otherwise decent, probably about GEF, and had no obvious issues, I bought it for the £50 asked. It was then put away in my collection and largely forgotten about until today, when I read something about lacquering of coins, and was reminded. Does anybody know what - typically - should be looked for to establish evidence of lacquering? Thanks in advance. The coin itself is as shown:-

Yes, the little inwards dink at the bottom of the bust shows that it's clearly obverse 2.

Yes, very much agreed. It would be great to actually visit an actual coin shop. Not sure how many are left these days. Can't be that many. There used to be one in my home town of Chelmsford, but that's long since closed.

What about NGC?

If that's how CGS are viewed by one of the top auction houses internationally, then they're better to be steered clear of.

Yes, that does appear to be there on Jon's obverse pic, Jerry. So that is kind of tipping the balance towards Obverse 2. Not sure about the ribbon, although I definitely take zookeeperz' point.

I don't know - it's not easy to distinguish between the two, especially on worn examples. Here are Obverse 2 and Obverse 5 copied from Gouby's book. Might help to see the two side by side:-

Jon, that reverse is almost definitely G. You can always tell because on all reverse G's the date numerals are closer together, compared to D & F, and often the final "1" is either sloping, or otherwise a bit wonky. Sometimes very close to the 6. If that's paired with obverse 5, you have yourself a Freeman 28 - rarity 18.

I've noticed that as well, Terry.

From Freeman's description, the main indicators for obverse 6 are:- 1/ The topmost part of the head is only 0.9mm from the linear circle instead of 1.5mm as on obverses 1 to 5 (although I can't measure it) 2/ Parts of the left and central leaves of the first group are incompletely struck and the former leaf points to an area distinctly to the right of the upper dot after the G of D:G, whereas on previous obverses, it pointed either directly to it, or minutely above it. 3/ The B of BRITT is almost in contact with the head. 4/ There is no L.C.WYON and unlike obverse 5, no recess into the outline of the bust where the signature previously appeared. Hope this helps Jon - but as I say, I'm never 100% confident on all of the 1861 combos myself.

Think it's obverse 6 Jon, which would make your coin a Freeman 29. Although I stand to be corrected. The 1861 obverse/reverse die combinations are quite difficult to get your head round.

The only link I can see is that the Russians allegedly wanted Trump to be elected. Quite how that translates down to this guy's level, I don't know. Necrophilia is not confined to Russia or Russians.

I didn't even realise you wanted a reponse to be honest with you. As far as disputing TPG's, I couldn't give two craps either way. If someone wants to dispute them, it's their call. If they can back up their assertion with fair evidence, then I'd be with them 100%.

After - until I saw it in hand, I wasn't 100% sure it was a F76.

One here I've seen another somewhere as well, but can't recall where.

Another somewhat enigmatic penny, is the Freeman 98, 1879 narrow date. Often crops up in grades up to and including VF, but only very rarely at EF and above. They do exist - getting one is a whole different ball game. One UNC with good lustre (touted as possibly the best) went at the Workman sale in 2010 for £1500. Another went for £520 at the Laurie Bamford auction in 2006. There is also a very nice one pictured on Tony Clayton's website. At this moment in time, they're the only three I recall seeing in high grade. Although an EF speciment went at the Freeman auction in 1984, with a 94, 96 & 97, for £162. Really not easy to get in top grade, as rarely offered.

I've just tried it, Ian, and was able to get in OK. Having said that, the pages of LCA are not the quickest in the world, to load. May have just been a blip.

Hear, Hear.

That's the trouble with houses. Always something needs doing, and as soon as you have one thing done, it shows up deficiencies elsewhere.