Gary D

I've seen I think 3 on ebay, one I bought and resold in about F for £30. A second was again about fine that was on for a Buy it Now for £25 and unidentified, I thought about it for a while but it sold after a couple of weeks. I wasn't convince that I'd make any money on it as varities often are not very hot on ebay. My GVF I paid £120 at London Coins Dublin austion about 4-5 years ago. Thanks Gary, I think I have one but I'll need to see it in hand when it arrives. I'll upload pics once I get it. I always look for them and have come to the conclusion that if it is the I to tooth it's very obvious. If your not sure it's likely to be the common variety as the one can be deceiving.

I've seen I think 3 on ebay, one I bought and resold in about F for £30. A second was again about fine that was on for a Buy it Now for £25 and unidentified, I thought about it for a while but it sold after a couple of weeks. I wasn't convince that I'd make any money on it as varities often are not very hot on ebay. My GVF I paid £120 at London Coins Dublin austion about 4-5 years ago.

I don't know the history of these coins, I believe they came out of Turkey sometime in the seventies. Here's a side by side.

Gary, If that is a fake...then it is really a good fake. It looks like the real thing! It would be interesting to send it in for slabbing, and see what happens. I bought it from London Coins as a fake so I'm pretty confident that it is a fake........or maybe mmmm Azda, as to ring I think only being 0.025% low in silver content the ring would be meaningless. You need to go to nearer to 50% to be confident.

Sorry forgot to add the details, I was too caught up in adding the photos. Diameter and weight are spot on, finesse is down at 90% silver.

And the observe. I've always have problems with reducing the size of photos and on a recomendation of a work colleague I tried Microsoft power toys image resizer. I guess most of you already know of it but to me it was an epiphany. Once loaed you just right click on the picture file and choose resize. As easy as that and alway there.

Being the proud owner of a fake of which I can't find a difference I would be very interesting to know what attributes Chris uses to authenticate it You'd have to ask Chris that Gary, i've no idea. What is your weight/dia etc? How did you know did you know yours was fake? Maybe upload a picture so it can be used as information for others. Here's the reverse. I bought this from auction as a fake and as this particular auction house has sold a few over the years I assume they know when they see the real McCoy or not.

Looks as though I will need to keep an eye out for an example for the collection

Being the proud owner of a fake of which I can't find a difference I would be very interesting to know what attributes Chris uses to authenticate it

I bought mine from London Coins as GVF and I would say it has very slightly more wear on the beard than your example.

It all depends on the value of the coin. Pay £10 to slab a 1967 penny or 1965 crown and you will never get your money back. The TPGs will always talk about value added, but then they would.

It only happens on book bids. If you bid in the room the auctioneer is in control and so either knocks it down to you there and then or you pass. If you bid live on line the same applies. Something similar happened to me when I bought my 1922 penny. The 1st bid was for £1000 and as I was the only bidder I was asked if I would go to £1100 which I guess was the reverse. So ended up with a coin valued at about £1600 at the time for £1229

I must agree as it's the 1st time I've heard it called that. I guess as although 1967 was the last year of mintage minting went on after 1967 to supply demand until 1971. I assume Obv 4 is considered to be post 1967.

Personally I prefer the I of DEI. I to tooth ME, I to gap non-ME Gary

I'm sure there's money to be made shipping crap around the country. No need to refund the postage so the odd £1.50-£2.00 starts to add up.

One of the dealers who uses this forum has a 473 and 475 on his website. I believe that the F474 is extremely rare, That one is in his collection Here's mine

If you have 4 grand lying around! What is the colour like in hand, the fakes tend to be very grey. Here is the pointer, if only it made any sense.

Lol, thanks for that Declan, my arse isn't squeaking yet, as it was from a dealer and have 2 weeks to keep it or send it back. Anyhoo, here's the REV And the dealer is not aware of it's full potential

If you are going to put it on the bay dipping is a must. And speaking of the broken R there is an other 1905 on ebay.....with the broken R.

i feel this may be more correct, theres a difference between going into a shop and a shopkeeper saying he doesnt want to sell you his item and not taking your cash from you, but this guy has accepted payment. there was a case a few years back when i cannot remember exactly if it was currys or comets, advertised on ebay tv's at 99p instead of £99, some guy bought something like a 100 and it went to court and the guy got his tellys.there was nothing the vendor could do, he;d paid for them at the asking price. if this were me, i would accept in the first instance the biggest ass licking apology and refund, if that wasnt forthcoming.......i would want my coin!!. Yes, now you mention it, I remember that, ski. Like you, I'd probably accept a grovelling apology and some token gesture, such as the £10 suggested by Derek. But really, the seller should stick to the rules, mistake or otherwise. edit: thanks for the legal clarifications, Scott. Obviously e bay's insistence that a binding contract is made as soon as a BIN offer is made, should be taken with a health warning. I assume there is also a big difference with winning an auction and paying immediately compared to waiting for the sellers invioce before paying. I know if I think I've made a steal I bang in the payment before the seller has had time to think about it. Picked up a UNC 1956 1/2d F475 the other day for $5, was on the edge of my seat until it arrived.lol.

Derek, If you still hadn't seen a ME in 20 examples, then the best estimate from that ratio (4,498,519 divided by 21) would be 214,215 ME's minted. I would believe the mintage would be somewhat less than 214k though. Just my humble opinion! <gggg>. How many pennies would you get from a set of dies?. If it was a first run of a new observe would they have run more than a dies worth to see how the die stood up?

Are sovereigns really "coins" as they were largely minted as bullion for foreign exchange and were regularly put into the melting pot and recoined.

I'm afraid so. See, his dad's 1st in line, so I guess he is 2nd in line??, and his kid will be 3rd. Or maybe I've got it wrong and must kneel at the block with my neck bared. What if for some reason it never makes it to the throne Who would be next in line? There's nothing like keeping it in the family, no sorry that a Norfolk wedding.

That is good. When I was a scout we were taught that a half penny was 1" across so you could in the absence of a ruler use a 1/2d to measure items. Mind you if lizzy had size eight feet you wouldn't need a 1/2d.