VickySilver

I really liked the only "major" winning, the 1841 shilling.

Hmm, better get your leather pants on.

It is my recall that in fact these florin patterns WERE sold as sets - or at least a portion of them. I have seen not complete 27 sets but I think it was 8 or so coins in a set...

I was really commenting on their high end bits...They were running quite a few Patina/INA items at 300 USD!

Prices at DNW seem low now, I got the very nice 1841 shilling at 420. The 60/59 seemed a bargain at 1300 - not me tho.

Don't think the quality of their coins are in dispute, and most seem to agree that can charge whatever they will. Good for you in getting them to negotiate on price. Jaggy has shown a pretty good eye IMO in the purchases he has shared with us. I just think it is a bit cheeky to quadruple or quintuple a price on a particular coin; good if they get it, but perhaps a bit excessive. I only broached the subject in that they seem have taken this business model, and think if a few more dealers were to take this approach that it would change the market in the coins we like. Maybe that is just longing for the good ole days, but a bit sad also.

Interesting in that they were willing to go "auction retail" and then charge at least 40 % above that in all likelihood.

They inhaled many of the Gerald Jackson pennies for a song, and then were able to resell at very good prices. Kudos to them. those were some of the greatest quality currency pennies I have seen, period. Still, the cited gold crown example is a bit over the top as well IMO as these at auction have pretty well been stuck at the 28-35k pounds level for a good decade.

I'm sure readers have seen the Atlas Numismatics site? Atlasnumismatics.com I note that there are some nice coins on the positive side, but the prices are -well - scintillating to say the least. A gold 1935 Jubilee Crown listed at the bargain price of $195,000! I would hope that is just for a starting bargaining position. Most prices are IMO 40-100% or more on the "optimistic" side. The dealer must have access to considerable resources to even control such stock, but what might all of us think of what this does as far as upwards pressure put on the prices of scarcer bits of milled coinage?

And it almost literally has that appearance - specimen....Lovely surfaces and strike of course.

In silver it would be 3500 quid or better.

Go SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

139, 141,142,147 Think I may have got it wrong then & as I have a 1905 already hope you got the one you were looking for, only looking to upgrade a bit. I wasn't really a "player" in this auction! I don't remember bidding on the 141 at all! I didn't so much mind the cleaned '05.

Hmm, well I first thought I had won only one but then Neil sent me a note that I had both. Guess it was only one - haven't got my coins yet.

Thanks Jaggy for your input. I certainly agree with your points about the latest ESC, and valuations - which of course bring up many other issues. It also seems many issues/series/coins are in flux with varietals (except of course to our dear Penny and Farthing collectors) seemingly fading into insignificance with some elements of the American market, such as condition as determined by TPGs creeping in. What is a graded Fine 1848/7 6d worth, and compare that to the usual 48/6 in like condition and what has been the trend in that condition versus those of higher grade over the last 10, 15, or even nearly 25 years since the previous ESC? Sorry for the digression...

Azda - happy with the results of your submission?

Please rethink the second to the last paragraph. NGC has missed on a number of coins as has been pointed out here. They have absolutely blown counterfeits, even denominations and proof vs. currency calls. They are the entity have shown to be rather naive or lacking care on many counts. Let's not go there with the unrelated issue of abysmal grading on occasion. Please note the issues are simply not just with the coppery appearances of high points, but rather the quality of the metal and striking issues that are IMO quite worrisome. As has been pointed out, they are perhaps the not best of their own judging and not the source I would go to in such an instance.

I agree with 2691; however seems not as much cameo to the devices. It has the least hairlines and clearly nicest obverse.

Still best to have representation. Maybe SS is a VIP and we are not quite at that level yet! LOL

Welcome to the club, LCA soured me quite a bit in this same way several years ago and has dissuaded a lot of bidding from me. This IMO is a very poor business motto that reminds me of what they try a lot on the East Coast of the USA - burn the customer up front for as much as possible and damn the long term consequences. Not to name names but Stack's in the USA does this same type of thing... I still bid but is quite irritating pushing me to find a rep for auctions.

I was the "guilty"party on the '05s (yes, I liked the cleaned one also), the '07 and the '09 - sorry that was me. I thought those prices entirely reasonable. The OMS QE II I had to let go of as with premium that now approaches 600 quid and far more than I have paid in the past for similar issues; maybe that is the new price for these??

It seemed there was not much love for the Edward VII coins??

Very nice lot there. The gold as a series has always been an intimidator to me, but no saying you have to have all of them. Nice going on the 1841 sov there!

That 1922 penny is taking off, 6600 and counting I understand! Leave me out...

I also think that Steve will be more reserved than some of us as far as offering opinions on coins not seen directly, but that in-person he may be a bit less conservative. As you probably know, most Wreaths, let alone those of 1934 date did not circulate and it is rare to find one in less than EF. However, I have seen a few worn F specimens of the 1934 date, and a couple of VFs & they did not appear as this specimen does. Again, the images from the Cointalk post seem to show a bit better on my computer, with the resolution holding up better under magnification. The surface blemishes are IMO not consistent with wear that I have seen and look to be micro-casting stigmata. I do not pretend to know the latest in counterfeiting measures, but have heard that this is the case with other coins, although I have heard of centrifugal methods but there may be temperature issues with the alloy, etc. and it may be possible that the planchet was cast with a relatively poor strike and then the usual "added" circulation, which again seems to be in a pattern highly unusual in my experience with the 0.500 milled crowns. Although it would not be a sole test, certainly you might try one of those XRF surface spectroscopy units to check alloy as well. Of necessity, interpretations offered have to be a bit speculative so I just added a few. I also have concerns about the 100% confidence in a coin that is slabbed, although it may give some reassurance. To reiterate, the observations that have me concerned are: 1 - Metal colour 2 - What appear to be surface issues with the metal, especially the field and rims but also the devices 3 - Appearance of the "wear" pattern on this coin with odd colouring, especially again on the high points of the obverse devices 4 - Poor and wrong-appearing strike, especially of the obverse around the ears and the hair just above the nape of the neck, but also other areas in the obverse bust of George V 5 - Other marks about the lettering as was pointed out by another poster.