VickySilver

Aha. It appears there are TWO types of 7th edition. One with Cromwell on the cover has supposedly 672 pages and a provenance section that either has or lists sources of pictures for scarcer types. The other (that I got) and more generally available has the Gothic Crown on the cover and has only 597 pages with no provenances. Crap, I wanted the more complete edition; I have NOT been able to find a different Library of Congress number...

BTW, an 1980 Bahamas $2 uncirculated in the "Birds" holder from the FM World Birds Collection (or some such name) just sold on ebay for USD 57 plus shipping and tax. That was IMHO a very good buy for a coin of mintage 75 pcs. Mine is not in a holder....

Ah even with shipping, tax, etc. it was USD 8.00 On a few listings they modified or added just a bit, as with the example of the controversial 1924 3d specimen satin coin. I know for a fact that a very prominent expert has been turned back by both NGC and PCGS. I gave support to no avail....

Sorry, that the book, not the coin, is legit or the real deal. Where or where is the provenance section and where the heck is page 657 when the book only goes up to page 597?

Well first let me say that there are no prices listed. IMHO the latest is not even as good as the 6th edition primarily because I have seen very little added and the loss of the provenance section. I hope someone else can confirm that their copy does not included the latter. Also some of the "varieties" may or not be agreed upon by others. BTW I got mine from Abe books as there was some kind of clearance and I got the book to the USA for about SIX POUNDS! I thought they had made an error and so jumped on it but it appears that the coin is legit. Not that I am counting (but I am), but the 7th edition has 597 pages and the 6th edition has 662 pages....

OK, I just got my 7th Edition ESC (2020) and have looked at it for a bit. Not sure if I agree with all of the designations and have found more deficits in the proof and pattern section of the 20th C. pre-decimal series. One thing I notice is a referral to "page 657" in several places and note that the volume ends at page 597, or at least in this copy. Also I noticed that there is not the reference section related to Provenance the way there was in 6th Edition pp. 583-647. That was hugely helpful, does anyone know if this was somehow left out or just what happened? Maybe my edition is somehow short of this...

Yea, definitely NOT proofs! I don't get it, maybe they have been watching the other TPGs. Ask Steve Hill or Mark R., I am sure they will agree.

Yes, I was trying to look into auction archives and was quite a mess & hope they finish or complete their site. Still not happy about the name change.

Yes, I have often wondered. In business over here in USA, such "enterprises" are labelled Loss Leaders - they serve as advertising for other high profit issues or are the backend of various contracts that must be fulfilled. These are opportunities for numismatists.

I do concur FWIW. Honestly, I have some OMS (off metal strikes) of 20th C. coins that are just that - significant and interesting to me but not deserving of being enumerated amongst the basic types.

According to personal communication, the uncirculated copper nickel $1 and $2 conch and flamingo coins of the following dates are quite rare evidently as the total struck coins (versus number authorised): One Dollar Conch: - 1989. 300 pcs in sets - 1991. 200 pcs in sets - 1992. 200 pcs in sets - 1996. still unknown, likely much less than 100 - 2000. still unknown, likely less than 50 Two Dollar Flamingos: - 1979 300 pcs -1980. 80 pcs - 1989 does not exist -1991. does not exist in CuNi uncirculated, but is known in silver uncirculated - mintage 600 pcs of the latter

I've a certified double reverse 1964 penny, but my 1970 proof double sided was deemed counterfeit by PCGS. I did not see anything obvious - can't remember as I think it came from DNW, er, Noo-nah's (I think that's it).

Uhhh, my female friend says "noo-nah". I think she means something different.

Ah, good research there Sir. Thanks. I would imagine some such as the Abolition coin did not exactly have a big following as the subject fine but the design? Well, ummm, terrible.I recall in this era BU coins were packaged and sold separately and even have one of my hero, Charles Darwin from 2 years later...

Uh, this should not be about egos. Just keep the identity of the place that has become rightly recognised as a decent auction house with respect. Well, at least they didn't go with "Nimrod"!

Ah thanks, when I saw it for sale I had to jump. Sadly, where we live the humidity is not kind to copper and so some of the "redness" has subdued. The lustre however is astonishing. Yes, wish it was the italic date/number 5.

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Ah, that would be nice (and lazy of me!) always interested in such. Probably never much overall interest but who cares?

I am still impressed by that hoard - has to be I would imagine a bit unusual. How does your coin(s) look? I will try to get a better photo but as usual a bit hamstrung embarassingly.

I had to share these, and courtesy of Richard am able to & the lustre in hand is really wonderful albeit the coin a bit softly struck:

Courtesy of young Richard & plenty of lustre:

Ah thanks for that. I have a couple of the 1970s and will have to look, even at the pattern one just to check. An entire bag? My goodness that is something and must of itself be a scarce event - I hope you have a bit of the story behind that one! I'm just not crazy about those special issue 50p even if technically currency - I think I like the earlier 5 & 10p because of them sticking to the old pre-decimal standards but will not collect them by date (I think many of the coins I collect have gotten nearly unreachable & crazy priced nowadays). The blimp story really good - 2,000? Ouch!

Oh, yes that was a fight over the IMHO obvious with crazy defense on the part of many for the colour - including "respected" numismatists/dealers (the latter label more appropriate) jumping in on the side of this blue colour being somehow a natural attribute. I have a quite rare farthing that some clown cleaned with it giving a thankfully only mild pale blue sheen that probably can not be removed.

What are your thoughts on this coin Pete? Scarce or not? I got two for approx. 14 pounds.

Yes, this type of business model is IMO destroying at least some of the market for GB coins, resulted in great profits and chasing true collectors out of the market in droves. Understandable is a slow(er) upward drive in prices but pump and dump methods with log value raise in "value" of coins reflects naked greed that we see now so often in the market. BTW, I believe the blue color has been imparted to the surface by application of the product "MS 70" which when incompletely washed seems to do this to coin surfaces. I have seen some absolute rubbish about the solvent(s) in it removing overlying toning and revealing supposedly true colors beneath the toning. That IMHO is an absolute load of BS.