Rob

I collect them too as I have a couple dozen criteria to fill, , just the adjective.............

Very well put. I also think the short term upheaval will pass as once we have a definite position moving forward we can plan for our benefit. Sure there will be compromises to be made, but overall it will allow us to act in our best interests. I think that the net result of us leaving would be neutral at the worst, with the freedom to actively improve our lot putting the ball firmly in our court. With that comes responsibility, but it may be that our current political operators do not have the right mindset for independent thought. In the event of us leaving, what would be needed is very much a centrist government that recognises the need for both fiscal prudence and social responsibility, Neither left nor right have a monopoly on common sense or the best way forward, playing as they do to their political allies. Funds are always going to be limited, so would have to be directed judiciously with both capitalist and socialist content - something that is currently anathema to the two main parties. The best move for society would be to get the economiocally inactive back to work, or in some cases into work for the first time. This would require more actively involvement at a local level, very much with a carrot and stick. My personal view is something along the lines of the coalition we had between 2010 & 2015 which necessarily tempers extreme policies. Maybe this requires a change in the electoral system. What is certain is that most people don't care as long as society is generally equitable to all who make the effort. If you put something in, nobody begrudges you getting something out. Trade won't stop, immigration/emigration won't stop as anyone requiring a skill set not locally available will employ the services of someone who can do the job wherever they might come from. It was ever the case. Many people I worked with in the past have relocated to the US, Australia, Canada, Europe, South Africa and everywhere between. I have also worked with a number of people who have moved to the UK based on their skill. I see no change in this. The EU is not there to serve its citizens, rather to provide a greater power base for those in charge. If it was actively pursuing a course designed to remove national sovereignty, there might be a future for it, but that would be a step too far for all those vested interests.

I've only seen a two or three, but then that is dependent on me searching YH halfcrowns which is not that often. There was one reasonable piece as I recall, but can't remember where - it was about 10(?) years ago.

There will be more to find, that's certain. To work out how many we will need to know how many overcut dies there are. One of the blessings of overdates is that the change is always made by hand, assisting in establishing the number of dies extant.

I would think it is rarer than the 41, but the latter gets all the kudos because it is a different date and an 1845 is commoner. What people don't know, they tend not to look for. Overstruck characters are usually only found on one or two dies, so are inherently rarer. The 1841 might be a rare year for coins to be struck or dated, but the absolute rarity is likely to be the single die variety.

I've only got this, which was the Adams coin. He only knew of his own, but that was 10 years ago and more. Sorry, I don't bust a gut looking at YH halfcrowns specifically as I already have an example of this type. I would only perk up if something appeared to be cheap. 1845 5 over 3.doc

And the reverse

This coin amply demonstrates the difficulty of finding quality W3 coppers. P700 reading GVLIEEMVS. The 1700 halfpenny that went through Spink just before Christmas was truly exceptional.

No, that was the people standing on the street corners in this country selling Socialist Worker newspapers and the like, or the NF holding rallies against immigrants. One of the beauties of political activists is their natural adoption of a position of intolerance for anything off message. That's why the left and right wings make such natural bedfellows. They need each other. To tolerate the other side or give room to anyone offering a contrary position to debate would risk neutering their message. Old habits die hard. A few months ago I saw someone standing outside a mill selling some political rag. He looked exactly the same as he did in the late 70s. In fact, to bring the thread back on topic, it is no different to those in Brussels telling politicians after a referendum question that inconveniently gave the 'wrong' result to go back to their country and keep asking the same question until they get the answer that is needed to keep the project on the move. They are no better as an example of democracy. They are able to hold the people of Europe in contempt because they are accountable to nobody. If political problems could be resolved by rationable debate we would all be better off.

I don't think many people are arguing for being totally isolationist - labour migration has always taken place. It is the control of borders that needs to be implemented. Nor indeed would trade suddenly grind to a halt if the Eu ceased to exist. During the Cold War I went behind the Iron Curtain on business. During the apartheid era I went to South Africa. The political structures of the countries was immaterial to whether we could trade or not. Goods and services were offered and paid for and everyone was happy except for the political activists. Trade with the EU would be no different. On the question of EU laws, the past couple of decades has also shown that over legislation is alive and well in this country. In the Blair/Brown years, if there wasn't a law they would make one on principle. Thanks to them you can't even fart these days without being Gas Safe registered. Yes, regulation does come out of Brussels and yes it affects everyone, but no one is reasonably saying that the burden is overwhelming. Stupid legistlation - yes, but not overwhelming. Aside from setting rules to allow free trade, there is little or nothing that the EU does which is beneficial to its citizens. You don't have to form a cozy club to be friends. If we did leave the EU,presumably the French would organise blockades at Calais - the bad news for them is that we already suffer that. If they have a grievance with anything in Europe, they blockade Calais. B****r the rule book, they act in a way that is traditionally French, i.e. stick two fingers up. We are accused of being selective in Europe. We are not the only ones. There are 27 in the queue behind us. As Jaggy intimated at the top of the thread, the EU is the wrong structure for what it wants to do. It is however, incapable of change because of entrenched vested interests.

Yes, it is like looking through a goldfish bowl. ................. sorry, I'll get my coat

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You don't realise how many disappear if you only keep one example of each Freeman obverse and reverse for example. It's quite easy to lose 80 or 90% of a date run. Bronze halfpennies now only require 60-70 pieces or so. G3 patterns are down to a similar level, Victoria patterns are fewer, pre-1860 is quite simple too. After that it's just little hammered pieces which realistically are only a trayful.

Yes, it's Norweb's

I have got rid of most of them and have only kept a basic core of a couple hundred pieces covering all possible designs, rulers etc

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