Sylvester

Stunning coin, even being clipped. William I is another monarch I've yet to get. I get keep getting distracted by Stephen's!

I dabble mostly in silver coinage and I would concur, most of us are happy with one of each date. That said this might include some slight variants, perhaps overdates if well known or maybe 'small date'/'large date', 'Arabic 1/Roman I' types.

The fakes on eBay are getting scarily good, certainly more convincing than they used to be. As it stands, that George IV is clearly fake, but it's not many more steps to being convincing. They're even doing toned and lower grade fakes now too!

Some cracking coins there! Loving the Anglo-Saxon coinage. I have a few bits and bobs of that myself, but nothing as extensive. I can only muster two line types for Edward the Elder, Athelstan, Eadmund and Eadred, plus a Cnut short cross penny. I too was going down the one from each monarch from Alfred the Great to present.

Wow such a shift. I don't touch Facebook with a barge pole, or any social media to be fair. I for myself have not been a frequent visitor here for many a years, one reason being it became a bit of a copper coin collectors specialist forum, whereas I've mostly been a silver collector, so there was little for me to post constructively on. That been said, work takes up the bulk of my time anyway to be fair. It seems times have changed!

A symptom of the drive to a cashless society? I don't think many young people use cash in everyday transactions, if at all. I guess with no exposure to coinage, there'd be no reason to have their interest sparked by it? I can only think of it as that. Believe it or not, but twenty years ago this forum had a core group of teenage members leading a lot of the discussions! So there was interest from the younger groups once upon a time. In fact, there were quite a few robustly attended forums in the 2000s, very few seem to be left.

Where is everyone? This forum used to be a real hive of activity. I used to struggle to keep up. It seems eerily still these days.

Link to Tony Clayton's site (Die Varieties listed near the bottom) https://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/dec10.html The most up to date info: 1992 Type - Edge type: Obv L,I points…/Rev. 1 in 10 points… Type 1 - Wire edge: Between/At (Extremely Common) Type 2 - Flat edge: Between/At (Extremely Common) Type 3 - Flat edge: At/Between (Very Common & this is the type in the Proof & BU mint sets) Type 4 - Flat edge: Between/Between (Scarce) Type 5 - Flat edge: At/At (Scarcer) 1993-2008 These coins come with two reverse types; At or Between (as above). The type in the Proof/BU mint sets are always Between types. The circulation issues started out as always At types, but this changes from 2005 - more on that later. As the 'At' types were always a full release into circulation there are plenty of them comparative to the Between types, BUT they will all be circulated, usually very heavily. Uncirculated ‘At’ types are pretty scarce to outright rare. The general issue is: 1993 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1994 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1995 Type A (Circulation only) 1995 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1996 Type A (Circulation only) 1996 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1997 Type A (Circulation only) 1997 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1998 Type B (BU mint sets only) 1999 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2000 Type A (Circulation only) 2000 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2001 Type A (Circulation only) 2001 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2002 Type A (Circulation only) 2002 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2003 Type A (Circulation only) 2003 Type B (BU mint sets only) 2004 Type A (Circulation only) 2004 Type B (BU mint sets only) Then in 2005 there begins a change. The Between type becomes a circulation coin as well as the mint set/Proof type. Eventually, it replaces the At type completely. So for 2005 and 2006 we have: 2005 Type A (Circulation only) 2005 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) 2006 Type A (Circulation only) - Rare 2006 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) The 2005 types are pretty similar, either reverse can turn up in change, approx 50/50 chance. The 2006 issue though is very different. The Between type is the vast majority. The At type is near impossible to find. From 2007 it then settles into this pattern: 2007 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) 2008 Type B (Circulation & BU mint sets) I am not aware of any At types for these two dates, if they do exist, they haven't been discovered yet!

In a word no, that I know of. Informally, yes. Tony Clayton listed them some time back, at least for the 1992 issues and then indicated two reverse types for the 2005 and 2006, but left their rarities unknown. I thus became aware of them in around 2008. I then went on a more thorough investigation of the 1993-2008 series and discovered that the two reverse types were issued most of those years. I presented my findings back to Tony Clayton and they've been on his website ever since. That said, I've never liked his designation of Obv.1 and Obv.2. I always thought Obv. B and Obv. A would be better as the letter would state the type clearly without having to look it up! So rather than Obv. 1 / Rev. B it would be much clearer to state Obv. B / Rev. B, i.e. Between/Between - a Type 4. I don't know where Tony got his mintage estimates from though. I have contacted Chris to ask if these types are of interest or already known about, however, I know he's not around much these days, so I'm still awaiting a response. I also handed my findings to Numista as well, but they haven't updated their website yet. From what I have found, the 2006 Type A (AT reverse - a circulation only type) seems to actually be rare. I've known about it since 2007, and have only found two in change. I bought another from eBay last week, an actual UNC. I never thought I'd find one of those. Other that that Tony Clayton has only found 1, and someone on Numista spent a year searching before finding theirs. Bear in mind these a coin types that are 'sleepers' and under the radar, there's probably less than a dozen people in the country actually looking for them. If only a dozen people cared about the Kew Gardens 50p, how many would you see regularly?

It could be a 'Hand Heller' or something similar, from the German states. Not a series I know anything about. They do have the sunk in square look on one side, but the cross on the other side doesn't look the same. There could be other types though. But as I say, I know nothing about German/Holy Roman Empire medieval coinage.

There are five types. About 1.5 billion coins struck so most types are excessively common. Type - Edge - Obv. L/I point... / Rev. 1 points... Type 1 - Wire edge - Between / At Type 2 - Flat edge - Between / At Type 3 - Flat edge - At / Between Type 4 - Flat edge - Between / Between Type 5 - Flat edge - At / At Type 1 = 40% of the mintage (All released to circulation). Type 2 = 40% of the mintage (Almost all released to circulation - some issue in 'Farewell to the Florin' first day covers). Type 3 = approx. 20% of the mintage (Released to circulation and also included in all mint/proof sets). Type 4 = < 1% of the mintage (All released to circulation). Type 5 = much less than 1% of the mintage (All released to circulation). The first 3 types are excessively common, ubiquitous you could say. But also, as they were the first types out when the 10p was shrunk, a fair few were put on side by people who kept the new coins. Type 1 and 2 can be got in UNC with some effort to find, they're not too common in mint state. Type 3 is readily available in BU, nothing rare there. Type 4 and 5, as pictured in my first post, can be found in change with a lot of searching. They are out there, but the highest graded Type 4s (Between/Between) I've found were VF grade and the highest Type 5s (At/At) were EF. I don't think they exist in UNC any more.

I seem to recall an abundance of Aethelred II and Cnut coins in the early 2000s - probably from some hoards in the 1990s. I got sick of the sight of every coin from the period for sale being an Aethelred, so I swerved them. I did pick up a cracking Cnut penny though for about £145. It seems they've gone up in value somewhat since. So have no fear, should the Harold's go on the market, they will be absorbed readily. It's always a consideration though if buying ancient to medieval era coinages, rarity is somewhat more fluid.

I'm looking for BU/UNC 1992 small ten pence coins of Type 4 and Type 5. Type 4 has L,I pointing between dots on obv and 1 in 10 pointing between dots on rev. Type 5 has L,I pointing at dots on obv and 1 in 10 pointing at a dot on rev. I only have VF specimens, I would love some UNC specimens.

Groats normally have two circles of writing on the reverse, an inner circle with the mint info, e.g. CIVITAS LONDON (City of London) and an outer circle that states: POSVI DEVM ADIVTOREM MEVM (I have made God my helper). Then the cross and trefoils in each quarter.

The first picture looks like the reverse of a King Stephen 'Watford' type penny. Cross Moline is the official designation. Struck in the 1130s-40s.

Try http://historyincoins.com/ I've bought some fantastic stuff from him over the years.

A gorgeous Edward I coin though, such a superb strike.

Type B

Out of interest, how many of you out there have managed to find the Type A reverse on the 2006 10p piece? These seem very hard to find. The 1 in the 10 points at an edge dot. These all went into circulation and seem to be a mere fraction of the mintage. All the mint sets and the vast bulk of circulation issues are Type B (between dots). See photos below. Thus far I've found 2 Type A's out of change and bought a third from eBay last week. A pretty low result rate for 17 years of searching for them. Rarer than the Kew Gardens 50p? Type A below.

This is my feeling too, but I thought the question worth asking. It'd be nice to find them when they do come out. I don't want to be having to pay £50+ for one from eBay in the months to come.

Well it's a paradox of sorts. I believe the coins without the privy mark have higher mintages comparative to the mint set issues. However, with the full mintage of non-privy marked issues going into circulation, it means they will be hard to find in true UNC/BU condition, hence the need to get them out of circulation as quickly as possible.

It certainly looks so. Type B reverse as well.

The privy mark is the small Tudor crown behind the king's head. The 2023 mint sets all have the privy mark. The ones that are due to go into circulation, about 600,000 mintage, will not have that privy mark. I want to get a few out of circulation as soon as they appear, before they become all scuffed and scratched. I've yet to see any. I have noted that the 50p, £1 and £2 coins have turned up on eBay without the marks. I even pulled a £1 coin out of change myself. Still no sightings of the 1p, 5p and 10p coins yet though.

Has anyone found any 2023 ten pences in circulation yet without the privy mark?