You mean all that cleaning he did was in vain? Lol, i don't think it was cleaned Peck, he just could'nt up the grade (like he normally does) because of the obvious wear. The original seller had it listed as AU am sure, 1949 had mentioned it to me sometime this year when we were talking about buying key dates and i said i did'nt agree with jmb4homes grade, it seems i was right, the wear on Britannians legs and on Victoria was evident from the original dark pictures from jmb4home Just a few observations -- jmb4home listed the coin as XF (EF). Also -- there may not have been a loss on this coin as the auction notes that "this listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available." The listing ended early because MP had bought it. The grade of EF was obviously not EF, hence the fact when i saw it myself late last year i didn't go for it because i knew the grading was out. MP bought it thinking the grading to be EF and was looking for bigger money than the initial seller was selling for, obviously when it arrived in MPs hand it definately was'nt EF and therefor could'nt list as such, he did make an attempt though listing as GVF/EF but in my eyes merely VF to GVF and thats the reson he lost so much on it. Agreed -- MP did buy it -- but apparently outside of ebay and quite likely for a lower price so he may not have lost money on this coin. Here is a link to another completed auction from the same seller which ended with a 'buy it now' and indicates what the item sold for: link