oldcopper

Peckers, yes, yes I have, and we're talking about the police here. It 's just you haven't, like 1949, read or understood what I've written. Police interactions adversely affect whites by the original numerical ratio of circa 2:1, because the demographic effect (timesing the black figure by 4.5) is cancelled out by the 5:1 greater proportion of black criminals per capita, which is revealed in the relative prison populations of each demographic. But, don't worry, you won't understand that either. It's just that funnily enough, the media and everyone else is forgetting to factor in the last bit. And do I have to give you lot a maths lesson every time? "White privilege" implies we have an unearned superior status due to our ancestors oppressing BAME people's ancestors. It affects all whites, You're right, all Germans aren't Nazis, but "white privilege" is a universal property of white people, however rich or poor, hard working or otherwise deserving. And here's a couple of comments from Van Jones, a black CNN pundit, talking about racism: Even the most liberal and well-intentioned white person has a virus in his or her brain that can be activated in an instant and: White people are always innocent and that innocence constitutes their crime. Now, those words may possibly have been a quote or taken out of context. I've seen the clips, but he hasn't been censured in any way for saying these things, so these views are allowable and unchallenged. So this white privilege or racism sounds pretty intrinsic to white people wouldn't you say. And do you not see where all this now "justified" envy of a whole race might lead? There is a certain parallel from the past. Your last list perfectly sums up the weirdly selective cultural marxism of your world view. It's the left's agenda of outrage and agenda of compassion. These emotions can only be felt provided the politics of the situation fit in with the left wing narrative. Otherwise it's crickets and tumbleweed. I'll expand on this tomorrow if you want! But guess what ideology has been responsible for more deaths and suffering than any other? I'll leave you with that one to ponder.

Fair point on Brooks, if police procedure was not to shoot someone fleeing, he's a goner, but if it is, that may be different, and we do have the luxury of being armchair policemen. You did describe George Floyd's death as "not solely a race issue" which implies you thought part of it was. I have shown that in fact, the racial injustice is the other way round, but of course no-one's interested in that as it doesn't fit the agenda. These marches and demonstrations you mentioned weren't primarily about police brutality, they were about "racism" unfortunately. So, if deaths in custody are 2:1 white to black, it is not the demographic difference which should be a factor, it should be the ratio of blacks to whites in police custody. And extrapolating from the prison populations tell us that is one to one. So a white prisoner is twice as likely to die in custody than a black prisoner. That should be easy to understand and it is surely critically important to dispel the current destructive and false grievance if possible. The trouble is these false analogies are being used to prop up a campaign feeding off the notion that whites are intrinsically bad, and that is the cause of all the problems in the black community. Now that is a massive issue.

Well, unlike you, I read your post, but it doesn't seem as if you have read or understood mine at all from your first paragraph. I'll condense it: There are roughly equal numbers of blacks and whites in the US prison system, so that means, unless conviction rates are massively, and I mean massively skewed against blacks, there are a similar ratio of the races in the criminal justice system and thus in the population as a whole. The 1:6 demographic of blacks to whites is thus cancelled out by the six-fold disparity in the number of criminals between the demographics. So if there are two whites who die in custody to every one black, and there are the same number of whites and blacks in the system, that is a 2:1 bias against whites in custody. In armed and unarmed shootings, the police will generally be interacting with criminals so the same proportions apply. Hence whites are over-represented in all of these categories. Let me know if there's any part of that you don't agree with. In Brook's case, if the police tell him to stop, and he carries on running, their procedure may well be to shoot in special cases, and running off with a police weapon (which could be used against them in the future) may have been one of those cases. If he had stopped, whether with hands up or down, then it's a case of murder and the policeman should be fully liable of course. However, if he's was running fast, the policeman will only have a very short window when he's still in range, so may make an impulsive wrong decision. If so, he'll be suitably punished I'm sure. But once again, all the media show us is one-off incidences of the rarer form of inter-racial killing so to make any larger point is going to be difficult. Black and Hispanic police shoot unarmed blacks at the same rate pro-rata apparently.

Not much on the main news outlets I bet, as everything must be done to stoke the grievance. The logical conclusion to all this will be more equality of outcome though they still occasionally pay lip service to equality of opportunity. But let's face it, if any group is under-performing in a multicultural society, they must be given public sector jobs, university places etc at the expense of applicants with much better qualifications, and it'll be even more so than happens at present. My daughter said to me the other day that black people get longer prison sentences than whites for similar offences. Oh dear, I had to explain that that is certainly true in the UK, not due to racism funnily enough, but due to the fact that a higher percentage of black people plead not guilty than white people (the latest figure form the Office of Justice is 70% to 57%). So when they are found guilty (and they have often been given legal advice to have pleaded guilty) they get a longer jail sentence. But this is what young people are learning. 1949 - sorry, I'll reply to you tomorrow. This home computer is hard work to operate!

Interesting article, it basically says that black children react worse to a disciplinary environment than white children, there are more infractions and they have higher levels of delinquency. They're not "deliberately" undereducated, they're breaking the rules more often and getting suspended more often. In theory a strong disciplinary environment should be in their favour, creating a more robust structure often missing at home. Tony Blair and Diane Abbot blamed gang culture as disadvantaging young blacks. Of course one of the main problems is fatherless families, the young black boy, like all boys, needs some strong fatherly influence and it's not there in 70% of black homes. As a consequence it's more likely they'll join gangs with all the problems that brings. I think the article describes the symptoms more than a cause; there's a similar racial disparity in London in crime and prison populations, and we have different education environments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London https://news.sky.com/story/black-murder-victims-and-suspects-london-v-uk-11443656 Sky news say the murder rate outside London reflects the national demographics. Well, no it doesn't, it's nearly 5 times higher for blacks than whites (13/3 vs 81/86). Actually the point of my earlier comment were that the US police were not to blame for any general discrimination.

No, the police are getting stitched up completely. And we're getting totally misled by a crafty little trick in the statistics. Leaving aside the murder, which is statistically irrelevant (and it's the rarer white on black type), the bigger picture offered by black lives matter and accepted uncritically by the media and everyone else presumably hinges at least partly on the following statistics that I see quite often: Unarmed shootings, armed shootings and deaths in custody are all about 2:1 white to black. OK, factor in the demographic that the black population is one sixth of the size of the white population, and this changes it to about 3:1 black to white over-representation. These figures are what all the media are quoting. Fine, what's the problem with that you say? Well, they're missing out the other factor completely, which is the relative proportions of criminals in each demographic. This makes all the difference but how do we arrive at this figure? Just check the US prison population percentages. These are the figures from 2013, I don't expect they've changed significantly since: Black 37% White 32% (The remainder are Hispanics and others). Call them equal for simplicity. And of course these percentages will reflect the active criminal percentages as well. So what does this tell us, considering the demographic proportion is 1:6? Either up to 5 out of 6 blacks are getting framed for crimes they didn't commit, even after going through due process with a court, a jury etc. Or else the percentage of black criminals in the black community is six times that of the comparative white percentage. This disparity thus completely cancels out the demographic effect, as there are six times more black criminals per million blacks, say, than white criminals per million whites. So police interactions in all these scenarios, as they are mainly with criminals (such as someone fleeing from the police without stopping when warned, storming of a suspect's house maybe involving similar-race associates), are directed at a criminal population consisting of 50% white and 50% black. So looking at these shooting or death in custody figures again, and as the police are dealing with an equal number of black and white criminals, one would expect the ratios to be 1:1 black : white. But they're not, they're actually all about 2 to 1 against whites, so in fact the police are twice as likely to shoot an armed or unarmed white criminal or let him die in custody than a black criminal. No-one is pointing out this simple fact, which I find deeply disturbing, this is truly Orwellian manipulation of thought that is being hammered into us, and we're supposed to live in a free and open society. And all this dishonesty to placate BLM, who have not got our best interests at heart, to put it mildly.

I'm guessing there probably aren't that many phone lines, maybe in the region of 1 or 2, so for any popular coin, you might not have much of a chance of making a reservation. Besides' if the person on the telephone is bidding for someone else a lot or two before they won't have time to phone you before your coin comes up. Hopefully these are the worst case scenarios, I've never phone bid personally, so good luck!

heard one on Better Call Saul the other day: What have sperm and a lawyer got in common? One in three million has a chance of becoming a human being.

Yes, that's right, people who disagree with Trump lose their freedom. I can't personally think of an example of that. Anyway, are you saying he should have called in the National Guard to stop this rampage? - if so I'd agree with you on that one.

Well, I hope it wasn't made for collectors! I can't do photos unfortunately but I bought both this and a Wm and Mary Tin halfpenny fake off ebay in 2007 for £40, which considering they had been sold for £140 hammer along with a poor genuine Wm and Mary tin 1/2 at Gregory II (Baldwins Auction 47; lot 353, Sept 2006), was a good bargain I thought, as these were the two interesting pieces. It is photographed in the Baldwins catalogue though, if you've got access to that. The Wm and Mary fake, also from false dies, is a much better effort, though still crude - the reverse only of this is shown. It's the only JII tin fake I've ever come across and very crude. The plug has been inserted after striking as can be seen from the large amount of solder around it. You can see one reversed N in the photograph of "NIA". I would think it's contemporary, considering its crudeness and thinness (no edge reading), and it had been in Baldwins basement for probably many decades. The Wm and Mary had an old ticket with it saying "from false dies".

I've got a James II tin farthing forgery - so amateurish that that N's are back to front ie the die sinker forgot that the lettering reverses on the actual coin.

I wonder how far away the noise could be heard when Steve suggested putting his surname first...…..

If that's the case the word that comes to mind is bargepole.

Was he married before? - he's no spring chicken.

B of St J were too coy to show it's real size in the catalogue. So I hope the buyer didn't get a shock when they found out it wasn't florin sized!

The N/Z went for £1400 hammer (>£1800 all in). The recent Bamford/Spink one made £1200, so maybe that was a better deal. Hard to tell, as I didn't see the DNW one in the flesh.

My pleasure - it's a very good example of that variety, as I'm sure you spotted. The bright 1861 F33 was originally mine as well, but went in via a dealer. One seller got a good price for that N/Z - nearly £2K all in. Still, a nice coin.

I'm not a fan of commission bidding, as it's funny how many times I used to get the coin at my maximum (I'm not naming any specific auction house of course, let's just say one of the worst offenders must have thought I was a gullible pommy).

Spink had a name for this in their Insider mag the other day - the attitude of: blow this - I'm going to treat myself! I can understand that.

Yes, it was a joke. Weak I know! Perhaps I should have said, as there might be an ebay seller out there getting out the domestos as we speak......

Yes, I hope vendors are taking reasonable precautions before sending coins out, like giving them a quick spray with bleach.

The Ingrams may have many nice coins but to describe the following 1806 gilt penny as "AFDC, die flaw Obv sl marks" £275, is incredible. And that's putting it politely. I think this coin was sold by Spink for not much in the early 2000's as "with a severe gouge and associated scratching" or words to that effect. Which it obviously has. The bottom line is not reassuring words (which may be wonderfully written but cost nothing) but a good recommendation from established or experienced collectors for instance on this forum. Can any experienced forum person give such a recommendation?

In terms of £/surface area, this must be the most expensive milled British non-gold coin.

You should have said! - I've just put one into DNW - it's ex-Spink auction Sept 2016 and is a nice looking coin, though it has two scratches on the Queen's neck. I don't know whether it's got the divot or not, don't know whether it's observable on the photo. https://www.spink.com/lot/16006002396 Edit - I can't see it on the photo.