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Where south of Brum, Chris? Spent my first 25yrs in Redditch. Couple of yrs in Leamington, then these last 30 down South. Pleased to say that I've nearly lost the accent. I'm a Pompey boy now mush.😁

Groom makes no reference to the total number of teeth per each reverse. Other than to say: Reverse A: Beads smaller than rev B. Gap between beads. Reverse A*: Beads larger than rev A. Almost no gap between beads. I'm guessing that the reverse B mentioned here, is that used for 1925 onwards. Interestingly, he says that for 1912, reverse A and A* exist also. Centre of 2 over bead, centre of 2 over gap, respectively. Didn't know that. Something else to look for...... 1925 pairings as per Freeman. 1+A, 2+B. NOT intermixed. Or are they? Maybe Gary knows different? Now theres a challenge to find.

I'll have a look when I get in from work.

A personal view is that if I can't count the teeth on a date spacing, the coin is to worn to bother with. The D pointing seems to work for me but not always reliable on eBay photos unfortunately. As I say. Gouby AaBb confuses me whereas Freeman's Capital and a numeral is clear cut. Maybe with these pairings we should use an existing Freeman obverse and reverse and then B and 2 for the extras? A logical progression using the accepted Freeman system?

Now this is where all my confusion comes from. Capital A and lower case a. My pointers are: D to tooth. D to gap. 9 half teeth date. 10 quarter teeth date. The above is the last combination that I needed to complete the 4 pairings. If I'm seeing them correctly, Gary S and Gary D both show D to tooth, 9 half teeth date width. Top of thread. Hopefully, this is what mine shows and I've used their consonant pairing. Whereas Bob C shows D to tooth, 10 quarter date. A confirmation that mine matches the 2 Gary's coins would be welcome please. Bob

I've been caught out a couple of times before, but I'm hopeful that this one is the real deal. 1911. Ab.

Screenshot of image.

I'm happy to email him on behalf of the collective, should no-one else step forward. Views please.

I may be wrong but I think MrT is able to contact him, judging by a response from him on page 8 of this thread. Edited to add that I've just messaged MrT, so we may know shortly. Mr Dracott's views would certainly be a great help in identifying the major differences.

.....until someone ignores the book and finds one with a different pairing.... Mal lewendon 13# as an example. Interestingly, Dracott lists an 1879 with thicker legends. 3 known.

Nothing wrong with those photos.

Joking aside, builders merchants sell pure acetone. Probably more sensibly priced than other outlets.

Galvanized nails are far superior. No cleaning required.

When selling on eBay..... " Extremely rare coin. I've only got 2 " 😂

I'd say an 8 on this one, as I can only see 2 single berries below the 2nd group of leaves whereas on a 9, there is a double and a single. But agreed, a clearer photo would help.

Must admit, I was relieved to see that the envelope contained the coin that I purchased.

Thanks Martin. His re-listing was partly my fault. He first started at £20. I bid. He then cancelled auction and re-listed at £40. I bid. Asked him if he had a price in mind and offered £70 and we settled on £80 but as my bid had cancelled the best offer, he had to relist to bring the best offer option back into play. A bit long winded but another number in hand.

After my mistaken identification of the 8+J above, I decided to check my other two that I had down as reverse K. Turns out that I have both an 8 and a 9, reverse I. So F313, F314, F315 crossed off in quick succession. A further search on eBay, turned up this one, which arrived this morning. Reverse K. ? Paired with 9. F317.

Rob. I've just messaged you.